Daniel's 1260 vs. 1290 vs. 1335 vs 2300 Days Prophecies (Abomination of Desolation Was the Crucifixion)

Exegesis said:

The purpose of this thread is to discover what would happen if all of Daniel's 'days' prophecies were consistently interpreted using the Day/Year Principle:

"The day-year principle or year-for-a-day principle is a method of interpretation of Bible prophecy in which the word day in prophecy is considered to be symbolic of a year of actual time."

Day-year principle - Wikipedia

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This would include prophecies regarding the Two Witnesses found in the Book of Revelation. In other words, they prophecy for 1260 years.

This first post will cover the basic summaries. Further unpacking may be done later if time permits. A main goal is to keep this simple and to the point so that a child could understand it. No 'mental gymnastics' are required. No 'flip-flopping' between days and years to fit some preconceived notion.

Here is a condensed list of the various 'days' we find as well as their corresponding 'years':

• Revelation 11:11 - Three days and an half = 3-1/2 years
• Daniel 9:24 - Seventy Weeks = 490 years
• Daniel 7:25 - A time and times and the dividing of time = 1260 years
• Daniel 12:7 - A time, times, and an half = 1260 years
• Revelation 11:2 - Forty and two months = 1260 years
• Revelation 13:5 - Forty and two months = 1260 years
• Revelation 11:3 - A thousand two hundred and threescore days = 1260 years
• Revelation 12:6 - A thousand two hundred and threescore days = 1260 years
• Revelation 12:14 - A time, and times, and half a time = 1260 years
• Daniel 12:11 - A thousand two hundred and ninety days = 1290 years
• Daniel 8:14 - Two thousand and three hundred days = 2300 years

Please let me know if I missed any verses. We will start with the longest one, the 2300 days:



One of the most important aspects of interpreting these days/years correctly is to accurately determine the starting point. Since 2300 years is a long time for the Sanctuary to be cleansed, chances are these years already happened. Could the starting point be the Flood of Noah? Let us have a look:

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Yes. According to the scholars, 2300 days would fit perfectly with the Flood of Noah. We have our first match. This would mean that the Sanctuary being cleansed would have happened during the time Jesus was alive. More specifically, it points to the Crucifixion as being the exact end date. The Preterists will be happy to hear this.

What about 1260 days/years? We turn to Revelation to get us started:



The 'wilderness' may be a reference to the wilderness that the Israelites fled to during the time of Moses. For 1260 years, the woman is 'nourished' until the birth of the Messiah. We have another match.

Two Witnesses?



The Two Witnesses are often interpreted as being symbolic of the Law and Prophets. Once again, we see that 1260 years fits perfectly from Moses to John the Baptist. This is another match.

What about the 3-1/2 days?



John the Baptist, the last of the Two Witnesses, was killed around the time Jesus began his ministry:

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3-1/2 years later, in the middle of the 70th week of Daniel, the Two Witnesses are raised during the Crucifixion. A great earthquake occurred:



The Two Witnesses came to life. Once again, everything matches with precise timing. Moreover, it all points to Jesus. Amen?

So far, what we see is that the 1260 days begins around the Exodus and ends with the birth of Jesus. Thirty years later, at 1290 in the timeline, Jesus begins his ministry:



This means that the Abomination of Desolation was being set up at that time:



Now we know with absolute clarity when this even occurred. The Abomination of Desolation was clearly the Crucifixion.

That leaves us with the 1335 years date, again starting at Exodus:



We all know what happened approximately 45 years after the Abomination of Desolation was set up...



Blessed were those that 'saw', i.e., understood the 1335 days prophecy and were able to leave and rebuild their lives before 70AD.

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This is just soooooooo bad.

Every 1260 day mention is 1260 days at the end of the coming 70th week, save for the Two-witnesses and they are given a 1260 day ministry by God so we can Juxtapose their timings against the AC/Beasts timings. The 2 Wit. die at the 2nd Woe (6th Trump) just before the 7th Trump starts which is the 3rd Woe, which is all 7 Vials combined. So, we see the 1260 days of the 2 Wit. and Beast mostly overlap, but not in full, one shows up 1335 days before the 2nd coming ends all of these Wonders/Things and the Beast shows up at the 1260 which is 1260 days before all these Wonders/Things end. Thus there is a 75 day gap, why would that be? THINK, Malachi 4:5-6 and Zech. 13:8-9 AND Zech. 14:1-2 tells us. In the former Elijah is said to sent ack BEFORE the DOTL (which starts at the 1260) and thus the 1335 being 75 days before the 1260 would jibe. In Zech. 13:8-9 we see that 1/3 of the Jews repent, then in the very next verse in Zech. 14 we see the DOTL arrives, hmmmm, its really self explanatory. God weaved everything around the last 1260 day period, because it is the Wrath of God. Even the AC is the Wrath of God, read Isaiah 10, it says the Assyrian (AC) is the "Instrument of God's Wrath". That is why he can only rule for 1260 days.

The 2300 days is not DAYS, read the real text, its says 2300 Evening and Morning Sacrifices, that would cover only 1150 days.

Ronald D Milam said:

The 2300 days is not DAYS, read the real text, its says 2300 Evening and Morning Sacrifices, that would cover only 1150 days.

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Daniel 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

IMO:
o "seven" = seven years, where a year is 360 days (Dan 9:24,25)
o "decree to rebuild" (Dan 9:26) was issued by King Cyrus (Ezra 1:2)
o date of the decree was March 5, 444 B.C.
o rebuilding was supervised by Nehemiah (Nehemiah 2:5)
o "coming ruler" (Dan 9:26) is entry of Jesus into Jerusalem (Luke 9:35)
o entry was March 30, 30 A.D., 69 sevens after the decrees of Cyrus
o remaining "one seven" is reign of antichrist ("coming ruler," Dan 9:27)
o "one seven" will begin at a time future to today
o "one seven" is sometimes called "end times"

William Barton said:

IMO:
o "seven" "= seven years, where a year is 360 days (Dan 9:24,25)
o "decree to rebuild (Dan 9:26) was issued by King Cyrus (Ezra 1:2)
o date of the decree was March 5, 444 B.C.
o rebuilding was supervised by Nehemiah (Nehemiah 2:5)
o "coming ruler" (Dan 9:26) is entry of Jesus into Jerusalem (Luke 9:35)
o this entry was March 30, 30 A.D., 69 sevens after the decrees of Cyrus
o remaining "one seven" is reign of the coming ruler (Dan 9:27)
o "one seven" will begin at a time future to today
o "one seven" is sometimes called "end times"

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Also, the seven years of Daniel 9:27 coincides with the seven years of Ezekiel 39:9 that follow the Gog/Magog event.

Exegesis said:

One of the most important aspects of interpreting these days/years correctly is to accurately determine the starting point. Since 2300 years is a long time for the Sanctuary to be cleansed, chances are these years already happened. Could the starting point be the Flood of Noah? Let us have a look:

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One should not interpret the days as years always. that is bad exegesis and a misunderstanding of what was actually said . the 490 of Daniel was 70 sevens. We now know there at that passage a day = a year, but that does not make every day in prophetic passages = a year that is bad exegesis. They were not even called days.

The 1260, 1290 and 1335 days of Daniel 12 are all days.

Also the AOD was not Jesus crucifixion. You can only conclude that be reinterpreting Scripture and the Words of Jesus!

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

Jesus was not crucified in the holy of holies. But the future antichrist will stand in the holy place declaring himself to be God.

2 Thessalonians 2

King James Version

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2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Daniel 9:25 "seven sevens until anointed ruler":

o "seven" = 7 years where "year" = 360 days
o Decree of Cyrus was March 5, 444 B.C.
o Jesus entering Jerusalem on colt was 69 sevens after decree of Cyrus
o. Jesus (anointed ruler, Isaiah 61:1) died, paying the penalty for our sins.
o One seven yet remains.

IMO abomination of desolation is antichrist taking his seat in the temple (2Thesalonians 2:4).

William Barton said:

o One seven yet remains.

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Correct.

William Barton said:

IMO abomination of desolation is antichrist taking his seat in the temple (2Thesalonians 2:4).

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That action is the transgression of desolation. It will draw God's anger and God has him killed for it. Please look at my diagram below.

William Barton said:

Daniel 9:25 "seven sevens until anointed ruler":

o "seven" = 7 years where "year" = 360 days
o Decree of Cyrus was March 5, 444 B.C.
o Entry of Jesus to Jerusalem on colt was 69 sevens after decree of Cyrus
o. Jesus died, paying the penalty for our sins.
o One seven yet remains.

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People have declared that God's prophetic year has a duration of 360 days, yet their yearly sin sacrifice varied between 360 days and 390 days depending on when the beginning of each year was determined from observation of when the bailey crop needed to be harvested and when the new moon coincided with the bailey harvest.

I would suggest that the average solar year for the nation of Israel was 365.25 days long.

In Daniel 9:24a, the nation of Israel was told that they had 490 years in which they should repent of their continual idolatrous worship, which corresponded with 490 Sin offerings/sacrifices, one for each of the 490 years where the duration of each year fluctuated between 360 days and 390 days.

So, the introduced number of days associated with the prophetic year is a "man/devil made fabrication" which was then converted to Solar years by multiplying the number of years by 360/365.25 to come to the number of actual solar years that the Daniel 9:24-27 prophecies were relevant too.

Now this manipulation of the number of applicable years works if we apply the reverse mathematical logic to move back from Solar years to Prophetic years.

Perhaps if we just consider that Israel and Jerusalem had 490 sin sacrifices available to them is all that we should consider with respect when considering what the prophecies were stating.

Shalom

Marty fox said:

Daniel 8
14He said to me, “It will take 2,300 evenings and mornings; then the sanctuary will be reconsecrated.”

It’s not 2300 days it’s 2300 morning and evenings which is 1150 days

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Correct Mr Fox, here is what is soooo funny about the KJV Translation on this, the same two words are used at the end of the chapter, and instead of "DAYS" they used Evening and Morning sacrifices.

Thus the 1150 days fits inside the Beast/Little Horns 1260 days of rule as the conquering king over Israel and the Mediterranean Sea Region.

Exegesis said:

Thanks @Marty fox

Just as an FYI, it is not unreasonable to interpret them as 2300 years...

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Come on, this is kind of lame brother, not the OP (which is bad, but I never chastise people for effort) but the asking AI in that manner, why? Because the way you asked it, AI is going to look for other similar dissertations and if they find one or two, they will say "YES 2300 years CAN BE INTERPRETED in that manner" well of course it can be and has been, but then ask the same AI is this an out of the loop interpretation, and when he says yes, only 3 people have ever interpreted it on that manner, that we could find, and 2 went into the nut house (just a point I am making to show you why asking AI is in error unless you ask it properly), then maybe everyone could understand, this is not a real thing brother.

As a matter of fact the bible over and over proves these are days, not years. LOOK AT THE CONTEXT, then you will grasp it.

Ronald D Milam said:

Thus the 1150 days fits inside the Beast/Little Horns 1260 days of rule as the conquering king over Israel and the Mediterranean Sea Region.

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The 2300 days involving the little horn's action - ends the day of Jesus's return. The 2300 days is shown on this chart. The daily temple sacrifice of two lambs a day, one in the morning, one in the evening - will begin again on day 220 of the 7 years. i.e. 2520 days - 2300 days = 220

Douggg said:

The 2300 days involving the little horn's action - ends the day of Jesus's return. The 2300 days is shown on this chart. The daily temple sacrifice of two lambs a day, one in the morning, one in the evening - will begin again on day 220 of the 7 years. i.e. 2520 days - 2300 days = 220

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As usual Dougggg you grab an answer and will never give way to the truth, no matter what proof you are given. Changing this would mean your whole 70th week chart is off kilter, and you can't have that. Now, let me show what the the ORIGNAL TEXT in Hebrew/Chaldean says not in the KJV translation.

This is END TIME EVENTS, not Antiochus Epiphanes 4, and I can prove that too.

Daniel 8:12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered. 13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

15 And it came to pass, when I, even I Daniel, had seen the vision, and sought for the meaning, then, behold, there stood before me as the appearance of a man. 16 And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision. 17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision. (So, at the END TIME shall the VISION BE, its not about Antiochus)

18 Now as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep on my face toward the ground: but he touched me, and set me upright. 19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be. (At the time of God's Wrath/END.)

20 The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia. 21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king. 22 Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power. 23 And in the latter time of their kingdom(Greece is still a Kingdom), when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people. 25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes(Jesus); but he shall be broken without hand.

26 And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.

So, we can prove the 2300 "DAYS" was a TRANSLATION ERROR Dougg, by looking at how they translated the exact same words in verses 14 and 26 (IN RED) because they translated the same words in two different ways in the sane chapter. Lets look at my link to the original Hebrew.

Daniyel 8:14 And he said 559 z8799 unto x413 me, Unto x5704 two thousand 505 and three 7969 hundred 3967 days; 6153 1242 then shall the sanctuary 6944 be cleansed. 6663 z8738

Daniyel 8:26 And the vision 4758 of the evening 6153 and the morning 1242 which x834 was told 559 z8738 [is] true: 571 wherefore shut thou up 5640 z8798 x859 the vision; 2377 for x3588 it [shall be] for many 7227 days. 3117

So, is it DAYS as in vs. 14 or EVNING & MORNING as in vs. 26? Well it is TWO WORDS, 6153 and 1242. And we can link to each one to see what the Strong's Concord. says.

#6153 עֶרֶב `ereb {eh'-reb}

from H6150; TWOT - 1689a; n m
—Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

1) evening, night, sunset
1a) evening, sunset
1b) night
—Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)

From H6150; dusk:— + day, even (-ing, tide), night.
—Strong's (Hebrew & Chaldee Dictionary of the Old Testament)


#1242 בֹּקֶר boqer {bo'-ker}

from H1239; TWOT - 274c; n m
—Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

1) morning, break of day
1a) morning
1a1) of end of night
1a2) of coming of daylight
1a3) of coming of sunrise
1a4) of beginning of day
1a5) of bright joy after night of distress (fig.)
1b) morrow, next day, next morning
—Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)

From H1239; properly dawn (as the break of day); generally morning:— (+) day, early, morning, morrow.
—Strong's (Hebrew & Chaldee Dictionary of the Old Testament)

So, this seams really clear to me, and if you would listen to an argument, it would to you also. Let go f those Charts Brother !! (Smile)

NOW, lets put the proper translation in vs. 14

Daniel 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred EVENNING and MORNINGS; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

In Daniel 9 we see this via Daniel EVENING PRAYER/Oblation.

Dan. 9:20 And whiles I was speaking, and praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the Lord my God for the holy mountain of my God;

21 Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.

So, these are 2300 Evening and Mornings SACRIFICES being TAKEN AWAY, not 2300 days.

Daniel 9:25 "seventy sevens":

o. "Seven" = seven years, where "year" = 360 days.
o. "Decree to rebuild" by King Cyrus of Persia = March 5, 444 B.C.
o. "Coming ruler" = Jesus on a colt.
o. Entry of Jesus on a colt was March 30, 30 A.D.
o. This was 69 sevens after the decree.
o. "One seven" is the reign of the coming ruler ((Daniel 9:27).
o. "One Seven" will occur at a time future to today.
o. We call the coming ruler "Anti Christ" = "False Christ."

Jay Ross said:

People have declared that God's prophetic year has a duration of 360 days, yet their yearly sin sacrifice varied between 360 days and 390 days depending on when the beginning of each year was determined from observation of when the bailey crop needed to be harvested and when the new moon coincided with the bailey harvest.

I would suggest that the average solar year for the nation of Israel was 365.25 days long.

In Daniel 9:24a, the nation of Israel was told that they had 490 years in which they should repent of their continual idolatrous worship, which corresponded with 490 Sin offerings/sacrifices, one for each of the 490 years where the duration of each year fluctuated between 360 days and 390 days.

So, the introduced number of days associated with the prophetic year is a "man/devil made fabrication" which was then converted to Solar years by multiplying the number of years by 360/365.25 to come to the number of actual solar years that the Daniel 9:24-27 prophecies were relevant too.

Now this manipulation of the number of applicable years works if we apply the reverse mathematical logic to move back from Solar years to Prophetic years.

Perhaps if we just consider that Israel and Jerusalem had 490 sin sacrifices available to them is all that we should consider with respect when considering what the prophecies were stating.

Shalom

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It says "sevens," not "years."

Jay Ross said:

People have declared that God's prophetic year has a duration of 360 days, yet their yearly sin sacrifice varied between 360 days and 390 days depending on when the beginning of each year was determined from observation of when the bailey crop needed to be harvested and when the new moon coincided with the bailey harvest.

I would suggest that the average solar year for the nation of Israel was 365.25 days long.

In Daniel 9:24a, the nation of Israel was told that they had 490 years in which they should repent of their continual idolatrous worship, which corresponded with 490 Sin offerings/sacrifices, one for each of the 490 years where the duration of each year fluctuated between 360 days and 390 days.

So, the introduced number of days associated with the prophetic year is a "man/devil made fabrication" which was then converted to Solar years by multiplying the number of years by 360/365.25 to come to the number of actual solar years that the Daniel 9:24-27 prophecies were relevant too.

Now this manipulation of the number of applicable years works if we apply the reverse mathematical logic to move back from Solar years to Prophetic years.

Perhaps if we just consider that Israel and Jerusalem had 490 sin sacrifices available to them is all that we should consider with respect when considering what the prophecies were stating.

Shalom

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IMO:

Daniel 9:25 says "sevens," not "years."

It is a mistake to read our modern conventions back into the ancient Middle East conventions.

שלום