Beebster
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He, apparently, thinks the saints will be sitting around a huge bonfire singing Kumbaya.
Is Jesus the Saviour of the whole World?
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Rotsen777
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Man was created with a spirit that makes the body move, walk, talk, etc. The Spirit of Life is God Himself, the Almighty God, whose name is Jesus.
Yes, I am definitely a follower of the Lord Jesus Christ, who is our Pastor and Teacher, across all generations.
John 15:5 is a biblical verse; the bible is not the Lord Jesus Christ. The Lord Jesus Christ alone is the Word of God, not the bible.
The Lord Jesus Christ Himself, real and forever living.
The Holy Spirit does not come unless you come first to Jesus and become an obedient follower of the Lord.
You’re picking the wrong biblical passages for you to inherit eternal life. Not unless you come and follow Jesus until the end, salvation will not come to you.
Thus saith the Lord:
“Remember, eternal life and your salvation are in My hands. If you want to be saved, come and draw near to Me. If you want eternal life, come and call upon Me. Trust in Me, because if you don't, you will have no salvation and no eternal life.”
Rotsen777
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What????? Why do you tell me and others to get back into the bible; could we inherit salvation and eternal life in the bible? Did the Lord Jesus teach His disciples to go to the scriptures for them to have life everlasting with God?
True! Does the gospel, per se, save our souls? What and who saves our souls from damnation in the hell of fire?
You’re equating a biblical passage as if it were the Lord God; isn’t that a bibliolatry, a kind of idolatry? The bible, fyi, is not God!
The people on your watch!!!!! Who appointed you to watch them for what?
Why do we have to open the bible for anything spurious, in your perception?
Let’s come and call on the real and forever living Christ Jesus for the truth, salvation, and eternal life, which the scriptures, absolutely, can’t give to us. Jesus is always beside us, though we do not yet see Him. Shall we?
Beebster
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Jesus didn't say what???
Matthew 7:14
14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.
You didn't quote Jesus, I did.
Here is something that shallow religionists like yourself will never understand......that unless one believes INTO Jesus (to be where He is), one does not have eternal life.
I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believes into me should not abide in darkness.
And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
He that rejects me, and receives not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. John 12:46-48
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believes into me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. John 14:12
Marvelloustime
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Rotsen777
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Thus saith the Lord God Jesus Christ:
“Remember, eternal life and your salvation are in My hands. If you want to be saved, come and draw near to Me. If you want eternal life, come and call upon Me. Trust in Me, because if you don't, you will have no salvation and no eternal life. You will have nowhere to go but to calamity and suffering. But if you draw near to Me, you will attain nothing but peace – peace if you accept it, if you trust in Me, if you believe in Me with all your heart and all your love. Love Me with all your heart, and worship none other but Me, the one and only Lord.”
MostlyConfused
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This is terrifying. It will be better for Sodom on that day. I’m not even sure what I mean by that.
Believers who are saved today possess the spirit of Christ, and the Father, and produce fruits of the spirit appropriate for the Kingdom in the present time.
However, not all actions are carried out in Christ by believers, nor do they remain in Him constantly; some are done with selfish intentions in mind and heart, failing to fulfill God's will. A believer is already aware of these actions in their life and understands that they will not be rewarded for them. These works are effectively "burned up" as soon as they are conceived and carried out, never to have significance in the Kingdom life of a saved person today.
1 Corinthians 3:15 teaches that believers can experience the burning of their works now, rather than waiting for a future day of judgment. The "fire" mentioned in this passage is often understood as divine judgment, refinement, or God's examination during a believer's earthly life.
Testing of Works: The passage uses the metaphor of building materials (gold, silver, wood, hay) to symbolize the quality of a believer's service.
Present Burning: Some interpretations suggest that when believers serve with motives or methods that do not align with the Gospel (such as "wood, hay, and straw"), those works are "burned" or made worthless immediately by God’s refining fire.
Loss of Reward: Although the believer is saved, the loss of these worthless works is experienced either immediately or gradually throughout the Christian journey, resulting in that type of life without eternal significance.
Saved as Through Fire: The phrase "saved, but only as through fire" indicates a narrow escape, where the individual is preserved but has failed to build only a few things or nearly nothing enduring for the Kingdom during their lifetime. This applies to nearly all believers who ever lived and those pf today or tomorrow.
Therefore, the burning of works is not a future event but is truly present reality during their life today, where God exposes and removes the temporary elements of a believer's service. And in the next life, believers, knowing some of their fruits are false, already know and expect this outcome and will not be surprised. They wished they had abided consistently in Christ as their true earthly lifestyle, in their Kingdom life, and not living as a hobby life of service for God.
And as for the comparison of Sodom on that Day,..it is a warning for non-believers. Believers possess Christ already.
The statement emphasizes that greater privilege entails greater responsibility. Since Sodom was destroyed for its sins without having witnessed the Messiah’s direct ministry, its judgment is considered less severe than that of the towns like Capernaum, which had direct access to Yeshua's teachings and miracles but chose to reject them, and thus remained unbelievers.
I hope this helps clarify a few things for you.
One needs to be possessed by the Spirit to be of Christ. Having a sample of grace is not enough. One must BUY the full measure of grace to enter INTO Christ.
You are not understanding God's ways or the need to fear the Lord. Those whose works are burned up risk being cast into outer darkness....not just a loss of rewards....but a net loss...being naked and shamed forever.
You need to be taught basic things and are not in a position to teach others.
And you know God's ways and live them accordingly I suppose?
A sample of grace indeed. I wonder if you know what grace really means?
You reveal an extremist view of a believer in Christ who is being saved today. Attempting to draw them off course to some extremist view?
Yes, I'm in a position to teach what I have been given me to speak from the heart by the words and spirit of God. I do not listen to false, entertaining, deceiving and enticing false spirits.
MostlyConfused
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The verse I was talking about was not about unbelievers. It seemed to be about believers and if it’s a warning for unbelievers, how the heck would they get that warning back then as they were told NOT to preach it to unbelievers and how would they get that message NOW as it’s believers who read the Bible, not unbelievers. He said,Do not go into the cities of the gentiles (unbelievers) or Samaritans. Go only to the cities of Israel/ the lost sheep. These were religious people. I’m pretty sure they believed in God. And yet, Jesus said if the message was refused, it would go better for a grossly sinful city like Sodom on judgement day than it would for them. Now what, I ask, does THAT mean?
stevesonthebay
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I think propositionally the Gospel is quite straight forward. Its a claim to salvation. Its presented in a way that a person can either accept this or reject it.
But initially that is all that is required. That a person believe in that proposition and accept it. I guess similar to entering into a business contract or marriage. Except we don't have to do anything. Theres no strings attached.
I don't think this is an intellectual commitment like a contract. Its more personal and relational. Nevertheless humans are capable of understanding commitments in relationships. We are conscious beings and seek something beyond. But are swarmed by our flesh desires in the world.
Maybe it is harder for some than others. In some ways I think those who have had a hard life are more open to trying something different. But I think we all have to go through the same personal commitment to God. The Gospel is the proposition to being the true way to life. But it means giving up your life. Thats a radical idea for the world today. The complete opposite.
But initially that is all that is required. That a person believe in that proposition and accept it. I guess similar to entering into a business contract or marriage. Except we don't have to do anything. Theres no strings attached.
I don't think this is an intellectual commitment like a contract. Its more personal and relational. Nevertheless humans are capable of understanding commitments in relationships. We are conscious beings and seek something beyond. But are swarmed by our flesh desires in the world.
Maybe it is harder for some than others. In some ways I think those who have had a hard life are more open to trying something different. But I think we all have to go through the same personal commitment to God. The Gospel is the proposition to being the true way to life. But it means giving up your life. Thats a radical idea for the world today. The complete opposite.
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