Only one rapture of all the saints, and only one second coming of Christ
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The verse says he will Rule (Shepherd) them though and RULE is in the future tense while the other verbs are present tense showing the peaceful rule over the nations is AFTER Armageddon. That's why I am Premill because it aligns with what is written.
You believe Christ rules over the nations now right? You believe the Mill is now right? It's a peaceful rule by Christ now. We believe the same, we just don't agree on when and a few other details but it's a fact in both doctrines that the unsaved nations are peacefully ruled over by Christ during the thousand years.
The departure myth was in the 1599 Geneva Bible.
2 these 2
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: [g]for that day shall not come, except there come a departing first, and that [h]that man of sin be disclosed, even the son of perdition.
I looked up the Geneva and tindale bibles.
Both use departure.
As does the Greek.
Are they bunk?
Why don't you look up Wycliffe?
Why don't you learn to spell "Tyndale"?
Why don't you understand what departure meant to the Reformers?
Or do you prefer to believe bunk?
Davy
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Now why would you want to go and tell a lie like the above, when you well know I am Post-trib?
You are ignorant.
The literal translation from the Greek
....cue drum roll.... is, "DEPARTURE"
Literally " from standing".
The, "from the faith" is added.
"Departure from the faith".
ALL IT SAYS IS "DEPARTURE."
So stop accusing others of your ill informed mess, when you do not know what you are talking about.
Such desperation in postribber stretches and grand canyon leaps.
Literally calling the Bible "bunk"
A doctrine that shudders at the literal meaning.
Uh huh.
BTW ,I quoted tindale.
Research tindale.
TINDALE WUS RITE.
TINDALE WAS QUOTING THE GREEK.
8 I tell you that He will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of Man cometh, shall He find faith on the earth?”
Christ is suggesting He won't find much faith in Him when He comes again
And that agrees with how all the scripture teaches about the Last Days.
Those beast(s), false prophet(s), antichrist(s) are that mystery of lawlessness working of the last times.
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And He spoke a parable unto them to this end, that men ought always to pray and not to faint,
2 saying, “There was in a city a judge who feared not God, neither regarded man.
3 And there was a widow in that city, and she came unto him, saying, ‘Avenge me on mine adversary.’
4 And for a while he would not, but afterward he said within himself, ‘Though I fear not God nor regard man,
5 yet because this widow troubleth me I will avenge her, lest by her continual coming she weary me.’”
6 And the Lord said, “Hear what the unjust judge saith.
7 And shall not God avenge His own elect, who cry day and night unto Him, though He bear long with them?
8 I tell you that He will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of Man cometh, shall He find faith on the earth?”
Christ will avenge His elect on that Day when He comes
Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 646: ἀποστασία
ἀποστασία, ἀποστασιας, ἡ (ἀφισταμαι), a falling away, defection, apostasy; in the Bible namely, from the true religion: Acts 21:21; 2 Thessalonians 2:3;
Not a rapture in sight.
As expected, you're too lazy to look up Wycliffe.
I show you exactly how to spell "Tyndale", and you still can't spell "Tyndale".
Now that's ignorance.
Tyndale was a Reformer. Any idea what that meant?
Of course not.
Now that's ignorance.
Thanks for your confirmations.
I misspelled it for you to have something to do.Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 646: ἀποστασία
ἀποστασία, ἀποστασιας, ἡ (ἀφισταμαι), a falling away, defection, apostasy; in the Bible namely, from the true religion: Acts 21:21; 2 Thessalonians 2:3;
Not a rapture in sight.
As expected, you're too lazy to look up Wycliffe.
I show you exactly how to spell "Tyndale", and you still can't spell "Tyndale".
Now that's ignorance.
Tyndale was a Reformer. Any idea what that meant?
Of course not.
Now that's ignorance.
Thanks for your confirmations.
Mospelled it so you could divert from what is said.
Look at it as an opportunity.
Read this SLOWLY.
646 apostasía (from 868 /aphístēmi, "leave, depart," which is derived from 575 /apó, "away from" and 2476 /histémi, "stand") – properly, departure (implying desertion); apostasy – literally, "a leaving, from a previous standing."
SEE THAT?????
"FROM THE FAITH" IS IMPLIED.
YOU KNOW WHAT "IMPLIED" IS?????
YOU GUYS ARE SO EMOTTUONAL YOU CAN NOT FOLLOW THE LITERAL DEFINITION.
Look, I do not care what you need it to be.
If you prefer "falling away from the faith", i am fine with it.
If you want to advance the pretrib rapture, then go for it.( cue evil scoff from reader)
If you want to dig in and add "from the faith",
IT DOES NOT MATTER.
FLAT OUT DOES NOT MATTER.
I am a pretribber (sp).
(I Actually LEAN TOWARDS AND AGREE "FROM THE FAITH " IS A GOOD RENDERING.)
SO WHY DO I SAY YOU ARE IGNORANT?
Because you were UNAWARE that the LITERAL WORDING IS SIMPLY "DEPART".
YOU DID NOT KNOW THAT.
I AM SAYING IGNORANCE, IN A NON TOXIC WAY.
(UNKNOWING THE VERSE IN QUESTION.)
YOU WERE IGNORANT OF IT, but I kindly helped you out.
NOT TRYING TO JERK YOUR CHAIN.
SO CALM DOWN.
Admit you were wrong
It is not my opinion.
It is fackt.
You are unaware that the definition which applies to 2 Thessalonians 2:3 is "a falling away, defection, apostasy; in the Bible namely, from the true religion:"
So here it all is for you again:
Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 646: ἀποστασία
ἀποστασία, ἀποστασιας, ἡ (ἀφισταμαι), a falling away, defection, apostasy; in the Bible namely, from the true religion: Acts 21:21; 2 Thessalonians 2:3;
That is a fact.
Don't continue to be unaware.
amigo de christo
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now take a good long look around . Look scott and beh old and see .
You will see a inclusive lov e , an ecumeincal whore of intefaith
That is now removing FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST and having all religoins to merge as one
under A LIE that they all serve the same God as do a christain .
I DONT SEE MUCH FAITH in THE ONE TRUE GOPSEL scott . I DO SEE LOTS OF FAITH
in INTEFAITH and IN A LIE . They think is lo ving they believe is of GOD and bleieve is his plan for world peace .
SO yah , NOT much DO have faith IN JESUS anymore within christendom .
And when they shall say peace n safety .................well scott , IT DONT SAY THEY GET IT
but rather ITS SUDDEN DESTRUcTION of which THEY WILL NOT ESCAPE .
Well, combining false religions with the true is really an abomination to Christ.
Christ is the way, truth, life, then Christ adds in v7, which is also very significant, proving He is OF God and GOD in the flesh.
So all the other ways are thieves and robbers, We do have a firm foundation in that the sheep of Christ will not hear them.
John 14:5-7
5 “Lord,” Thomas said, “we don’t know where you’re going. How can we know the way?”
6 Jesus told him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
7 If you know me, you will also know[a] my Father. From now on you do know him and have seen him.”
John 10
“Truly I tell you, anyone who doesn’t enter the sheep pen by the gate but climbs in some other way is a thief and a robber. 2 The one who enters by the gate is the shepherd of the sheep. 3 The gatekeeper opens it for him, and the sheep hear his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4 When he has brought all his own outside, he goes ahead of them. The sheep follow him because they know his voice. 5 They will never follow a stranger; instead they will run away from him, because they don’t know the voice of strangers.” 6 Jesus gave them this figure of speech, but they did not understand what he was telling them.
All I can do is present the facts vs what you read from translators.
Again....Read this SLOWLY.
646 apostasía (from 868 /aphístēmi, "leave, depart," which is derived from 575 /apó, "away from" and 2476 /histémi, "stand") – properly, departure (implying desertion); apostasy – literally, "a leaving, from a previous standing."
Sorry you are not able to comprehend a rendering fron the literal.
Sad.
Amen. Everything on this Earth ends when Jesus comes. No additional time/ kingdom for jews, for they must believe on Him before He comes, just like the rest of us. Certainly many will.
John 11:23-24 KJV
Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again. [24] Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day
THE LAST DAY. No one in the New testament ever speaks of a time period after the last day. Unless of course, it's eternal Heaven.
I'm confident in the etymological credentials and competencies of the translators.
Your nonspecific definition does not specify 2 Thessalonians 2:3.
My specific definition does.
Specific supersedes nonspecific.
Can you read for COMPREHENSION????
You are making my point.
THEY TRANSLATED it to read what IS IMPLIED.
HOWEVER the literal is "DEPART"
Try and get some understanding.
Look up "implied"
Look up "literal meaning"
I am convinced you are overly protecting a doctrine to the point that when presented a simple truth, you are so paranoid that your doctrine is busted, that you can not even look up the literal meaning.
Even when I told you I am FINE WITH EITHER RENDERING, you still put your doctrinal blinders on.
Look either rendering is 100% pretrib rapture.
.. 100%.!!!
A "falling away," a "departure from the faith", works beautifully with the pretrib rapture doctrine.
However, it is comical to watch you guys run wildly like a scaled ape, over a no brainer.
Fighting a simple fact to the end.
....with no red flags.
Jesus taught a pretrib rapture, complete with the actual setting.
You doctrine disputes Jesus words and teaching.
The word "implying" appears in your definition.
It does not appear in mine.
Your definition does not cite any Scriptures to which it applies.
Mine does.
But since you can't understand the distinctions,
Just leave them for those who can.
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