Who goes back with Jesus in the pre-tribulation rapture?
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David in NJ
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CORRECT
Notice that JESUS Said this for "AFTER the tribulation"
v29-31 = "Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days.........I Come"
v42 = "Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming."
David in NJ
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#1 - When does your mortal existence end and your NEW existence in a resurrected glorified body BEGIN?
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David in NJ
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You wondered how God could call all that He created "very good" if He made the serpent to be cunning and crafty in an evil way. Asking this shows you do not understand that God uses sin and evil to bring about good. This is what happened in the garden. And according to the words spoken by Joseph, God allowed his brothers to commit great sin against him, and by their sin many from the nation of Israel were saved from the famine.
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God SAYS: "pre-trib is a lie"?
Before Israel's "Time Of JACOB's Trouble", The Body Of Christ ( us'ns who are humble "Grace Through faith" believers ),
Will Be Redeemed In:
God's Great GRACE Departure!:
And, precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:
The Bible: The BIG Picture
Amen.
Before Israel's "Time Of JACOB's Trouble", The Body Of Christ ( us'ns who are humble "Grace Through faith" believers ),
Will Be Redeemed In:
God's Great GRACE Departure!:
Amen!:
"For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:"
(Philippians 3:20 AV)
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"And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan
within ourselves, waiting for The Adoption, to wit, the Redemption of our body." (Romans 8:23 AV)
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"Grace Through faith" (for the Body Of Christ) is "looking for, watching for, and patiently waiting for":One And Only ONE Person, our Blessed Hope, The HOLY One, The LORD Jesus Christ!
-----------And, precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:
The Bible: The BIG Picture
Amen.
David in NJ
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Do not despise The Prophesy of the LORD Jesus Christ who Prophesied Saying:
"Immediately AFTER the tribulation.........I Come and gather My Elect" - Matt 24:29 & Revelation
For Moses truly said to the fathers, ‘The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brethren. Him you shall hear in all things, whatever He says to you.
And it shall be that every soul who will not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.’
Yes, and all the prophets, from Samuel and those who follow, as many as have spoken, have also foretold these days. - Acts 3:22-24
You also have a dragon. I can assure you that Christ did not put a literal physical dragon into a literal brick prison. Remember, the devil is a spirit. You cannot contain spirits in physical prisons. This is clear figurative language.
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In either case, I claimed nothing of the sort; your screed is simply more of your straw.
And as far as "in the clouds" goes, ya gotta luv "the simplicity that is in Christ" (2 Cor. 11:3). We simply let scripture interpret scripture. Looking closer at that awesome passage (1 Thes. 4:16-17):
Believers don’t do the hackneyed “go to heaven” thing; rather, Christ sets up his kingdom here, with us. We, being "caught up" with others, meet the Lord in the air and then return back to earth with him.
For example, if your friends fly in from another country to visit you, you might travel to your local airport to meet them when their plane lands and then escort them back to your place. If they’re VIP friends, you might have a delegation meet them at your country's main airport, and then escort them back to your place. In either case, you don’t go to your airport, meet your friends, get on your friend’s plane, and then travel with your friends back to their place of origin!
So, do we have a scriptural witness to this scenario? Yes.
...we came the next day to Puteoli: Where we found brethren, and were desired to tarry with them seven days: and so we went toward Rome. And from thence, when the brethren heard of us, they came to meet us as far as Appii forum, and The three taverns: whom when Paul saw, he thanked God, and took courage. And when we came to Rome... -- Acts 28:13-16
The brothers in Rome got word of their impending visitors, and so went out to meet them at Appii forum, and then escorted them back to Rome.
meet = same word in both Acts 28 and 1 Thes. 4.
Here are all four usages of the word meet:
Mat. 25:1 - Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
Mat. 25:6 - And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
Acts 28:15 - And from thence, when the brethren heard of us, they came to meet us as far as Appii forum, and The three taverns: whom when Paul saw, he thanked God, and took courage.
1 Thes. 4:17 - Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
All four are consistent with “meet and greet and return to base.“
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I agree. That's what Jesus did 2000 years ago. That is the power he delegated to the Church in this new covenant.
David in NJ
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You did not answer my questions:
- Are the wicked in a physical prison?
- Are the wicked bound by metal chains?
Not true. He spiritual chained/bound the kingdom of darkness.
- With the coming of Christ to this earth came the introduction of His spiritual kingdom.
- With the introduction of His spiritual kingdom came a direct challenge to the power and influence of Satan on planet earth.
- With the direct challenge to the power and influence of Satan on planet earth came the spiritual empowerment of the people of God to confront and overcome Satan and his demonic angels.
When Satan was banished from heaven, so was the whole demonic realm (1/3 of the angels went with him).
Through his defeat, Satan fell from heaven (John 12:31 & Revelation 12:7-9) and is now present in the Abyss (Revelation 9:1-11 & Revelation 20:3). The abyss is not a physical geographical place. After all, physical metal chains cannot hold spirits. It is a spiritual state of restraint for spirits now. Near the end, the beast will be released from his restraints and the “deadly wound” to his head will be “healed” (Revelation 13:3, 13:12 and 13:14). This tells us that he too was bruised like Satan’s head through the life, death and resurrection of Christ.
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And imprisoned...Amill almost never talks about that part because it isn't as easy to explain away. An angel comes from heaven to Earth with a key to a lock, binds and locks satan into a prison.
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