It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial
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Deadly dire? What the heck are you talking about? I read a previous post which I didn't answer and now this post and all I see is babble.
Jesus is God come in the flesh....do you agree?
Do I need to explain the lack of a white horse in the ascension to you?
Bro, the unbeliever is wicked because they foolishly think they are ok. They foolishly think they do not need to run to the cross for help. They foolishly think they do not need the righteousness of Christ to be accepted before God. They foolishly think they do not need the help of the Spirit to live a holy life and overcome sin.
For someone to argue otherwise is heresy and apostasy. That's were Pretrib resides.
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No. You are preaching heresy. Sadly you cannot see it. You cannot also handle being called out.
God's people embrace the truth. They do not mock it, fight it or run from it. I have watched how Pretrib has collapsed online since 2000. It has been demolished by countless solid Postrib Premil and Postrib Amil posters on all the various forums. Pretrib is dead. Pretribbers are on the run. They are in the trenches.
Many of us were deceived by Pretrib, but our eyes were opened to the truth.
Pretribbers have lost their fight. Pretrib is dead. Pretribbers run from these debates because they cannot answer simple basic biblical questions.
You are a classic example. I showed you strong Scripture and you threw the white flag up immediately. You can cannot prove Pretrib anywhere in the sacred text. You also cannot refute multiple Scriptures that have been presented that prove a climactic return of Jesus.
It is fun to see you guys run for the exit when your Pretrib house is on fire.
The battle is long won!!! Pretrib just needs a decent burial.
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You cannot even support your false claim of a 3rd coming of Christ. I asked:
"Give me some of your clear references to your 3rd coming then - if they exist." You claimed you had 22. You have been unable to quote one supporting text. This is clearly all noise. If you had some you would give them, but you have none.
The burden of proof is with you. The ball is in your court. Your silence is deafening.
LOL. You take a highly symbolic text in the most figurative setting in Scripture and try and literalize it. Yet you have not one single text in God's Book to support your false teaching of Revelation or anywhere else that shows a rapture of the Church followed by any period of tribulation followed by a 3rd coming.
It is time for you to hit the exit door with all your Pretrib brethren that are on the run.
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How is 1 Thessalonians 4:15-5:3, II Thessalonians 1:4-10 and 2 Peter 3:10-13 not the same day Jesus returns on His white horse in Revelation 19?
I agree, my quote of the scripture agrees.
I don't understand how they don't know that except that they are not enlightened by the Spirit of God.
I left a church for similar things where the elders and pastors could not understand either, I had no desire to stay if they did not understand simple spiritual things of God.
All of us are a work in progress, but some are false teachers inspired by visions according to their fleshy mindedness, their hearts are deceived by Satan
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Genesis 8, God says all things will continue as God has ordained have since the destructive judgment of the flood, until the end of the earth, the earth will never again be cursed like that time. And the rainbow in the sky is God's promise of that.
Genesis 8
20 Then Noah built an altar to the Lord, and took of every clean animal and of every clean bird, and offered burnt offerings on the altar. 21 And the Lord smelled a soothing aroma. Then the Lord said in His heart, “I will never again curse the ground for man’s sake, although the imagination[a] of man’s heart is evil from his youth; nor will I again destroy every living thing as I have done.
22 “While the earth remains,
Seedtime and harvest,
Cold and heat,
Winter and summer,
And day and night
Shall not cease.”
Genesis 9
12 And God said: “This is the sign of the covenant which I make between Me and you, and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations: 13 I set My rainbow in the cloud, and it shall be for the sign of the covenant between Me and the earth. 14 It shall be, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the rainbow shall be seen in the cloud; 15 and I will remember My covenant which is between Me and you and every living creature of all flesh; the waters shall never again become a flood to destroy all flesh. 16 The rainbow shall be in the cloud, and I will look on it to remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is on the earth.” 17 And God said to Noah, “This is the sign of the covenant which I have established between Me and all flesh that is on the earth.”
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However this current earth is now reserved for a fiery destruction at the return of Christ in the Day of judgment on the LAST DAY, when He comes as a thief in the night unexpected by the wicked and unbelieving who do not know God, and who do not obey the gospel, 2 Thess 1, both Paul, Peter and Christ teach the same message.
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2 Peter 3
Beloved, I now write to you this second epistle (in both of which I stir up your pure minds by way of reminder), 2 that you may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of [a]us, the apostles of the Lord and Savior, 3 knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, 4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.”
5 For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water,
6 by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water.
7 But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and [b]perdition of ungodly men.
17 You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked; 18 but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
To Him be the glory both now and forever. Amen.
Genesis 8
20 Then Noah built an altar to the Lord, and took of every clean animal and of every clean bird, and offered burnt offerings on the altar. 21 And the Lord smelled a soothing aroma. Then the Lord said in His heart, “I will never again curse the ground for man’s sake, although the imagination[a] of man’s heart is evil from his youth; nor will I again destroy every living thing as I have done.
22 “While the earth remains,
Seedtime and harvest,
Cold and heat,
Winter and summer,
And day and night
Shall not cease.”
Genesis 9
12 And God said: “This is the sign of the covenant which I make between Me and you, and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations: 13 I set My rainbow in the cloud, and it shall be for the sign of the covenant between Me and the earth. 14 It shall be, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the rainbow shall be seen in the cloud; 15 and I will remember My covenant which is between Me and you and every living creature of all flesh; the waters shall never again become a flood to destroy all flesh. 16 The rainbow shall be in the cloud, and I will look on it to remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is on the earth.” 17 And God said to Noah, “This is the sign of the covenant which I have established between Me and all flesh that is on the earth.”
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However this current earth is now reserved for a fiery destruction at the return of Christ in the Day of judgment on the LAST DAY, when He comes as a thief in the night unexpected by the wicked and unbelieving who do not know God, and who do not obey the gospel, 2 Thess 1, both Paul, Peter and Christ teach the same message.
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2 Peter 3
Beloved, I now write to you this second epistle (in both of which I stir up your pure minds by way of reminder), 2 that you may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of [a]us, the apostles of the Lord and Savior, 3 knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, 4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.”
5 For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water,
6 by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water.
7 But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and [b]perdition of ungodly men.
The Day of the Lord
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be [d]burned up. 11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.Be Steadfast
14 Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; 15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.17 You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked; 18 but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
To Him be the glory both now and forever. Amen.
Then the Lord said in His heart, “I will never again curse the ground for man’s sake, although the imagination[a] of man’s heart is evil from his youth; nor will I again destroy every living thing as I have done.
22 “While the earth remains,
Seedtime and harvest,
Cold and heat,
Winter and summer,
And day and night
Shall not cease.”
Mark 13
19 For in those days there will be tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the creation which God created until this time, nor ever shall be. 20 And unless the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake, whom He chose, He shortened the days.
21 “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or, ‘Look, He is there!’ do not believe it. 22 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the [g]elect. 23 But take heed; see, I have told you all things beforehand.
The Elect are Gathered to Him wherever they may be on the Day of the coming of the Lord, and we shall be changed
1 Thess 4
13 But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen [b]asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who [c]sleep in Jesus.
15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are [d]asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.
1 Corinthians 15
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I tell you a [m]mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
17 Brethren, join in following my example, and note those who so walk, as you have us for a pattern. 18 For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: 19 whose end is destruction, whose god is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame—who set their mind on earthly things. 20 For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21 who will transform our lowly body that it may be conformed to His glorious body, according to the working by which He is able even to subdue all things to Himself.
22 “While the earth remains,
Seedtime and harvest,
Cold and heat,
Winter and summer,
And day and night
Shall not cease.”
Mark 13
19 For in those days there will be tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the creation which God created until this time, nor ever shall be. 20 And unless the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake, whom He chose, He shortened the days.
21 “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or, ‘Look, He is there!’ do not believe it. 22 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the [g]elect. 23 But take heed; see, I have told you all things beforehand.
The Coming of the Son of Man
24 “But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; 25 the stars of heaven will fall, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken. 26 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then He will send His angels, and gather together His [h]elect from the four winds, from the farthest part of earth to the farthest part of heaven.The Elect are Gathered to Him wherever they may be on the Day of the coming of the Lord, and we shall be changed
1 Thess 4
13 But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen [b]asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who [c]sleep in Jesus.
15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are [d]asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.
1 Corinthians 15
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I tell you a [m]mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
Our Citizenship in Heaven
Philippians 317 Brethren, join in following my example, and note those who so walk, as you have us for a pattern. 18 For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: 19 whose end is destruction, whose god is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame—who set their mind on earthly things. 20 For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21 who will transform our lowly body that it may be conformed to His glorious body, according to the working by which He is able even to subdue all things to Himself.
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amigo de christo
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And we now see another rainbow as though its of God and is his promise that he accepts sin .
And we see how they build In The EARTHERN KINGDOM and holler out its peace which is of anti christ .
For these be the last and final hours upon earth wherein the trangerssors are coming to the full
And the love for Truth has waxed cold as inquity has abounded and now evil is b eing called good and good as though its evil .
These be the end hours wherein all will hit its peak .
Marvelloustime
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Show me one of your alledged 22 supporting texts of your opinion of Rev 19 that you say supports a 3rd coming of Jesus that mention a white horse. I will not hold my breath.
As per normal, every Pretrib demand cannot be met by themselves. Your argument falls apart on your own gallows.
I'm still waiting for you to show that Jesus left on a white horse. To date I give you an F.
Show me how at the return of Jesus the economy will be like Jesus mentioned about His return concerning the days of Noah and Lot. To date I give you an F.
Until you provide an answer my responses on this issue will be the same.
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