“It is finished!” (John 19:30)

LoveYeshua said:

sorry Ronald I have no more time for you on this topic, you still persist too bad. Paul was addressing the church in Corinth not gentiles directly, the way Paul wrote was special, read a bit about it his style to provoke a reaction, his epistles are difficult for people who don't know this. keep thinking that Jesus was made sin on the cross and was punished by God, it is really blasphemy so think so. and yes the 2 concepts are completely contradictory.

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"made sin for us" does NOT mean that JESUS Himself has sinned, nor did JESUS become sinful.

It means that JESUS took upon Himself our sins on the Cross = for us, that we may become Sons of GOD

LoveYeshua said:

yes i agree with the way you say it but why did Ronald says also God punished him, did you miss this part

post no 18

""Jesus was sinless, until on the cross God made Him to be our sin and punished Jesus as our sin.""

and post 19;

""Jesus the sinless God/man was made to be sin at the cross by God the father. You either have to accept all the passages at face value or then you have to go reinterpreting the 2 Cor. 5 passage just because it is hard for many to accept.""

he really believes Jesus became sin and God punished him. ihe keeps repeatng it we both understans but i dont think he does. its the same problem as the last supper when jesus said

Mat 26:26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.

Mat 26:27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;

Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

some people think the bread turns info Jesus flesh and the wine turns into blood.. at communion....madness.

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OK - In order for CHRIST to shed His Blood for the Brit Chadasha/Yeremiah 31:31-34 what MUST take place???

Answer: Isaiah 53

Surely He has borne our griefs
And carried our sorrows;
Yet we esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten by God, and afflicted.
5But He was wounded for our transgressions,
He was bruised for our iniquities;
The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, =
the punishment
מוּסַ֤ר (mū·sar)
Noun - masculine singular construct
Strong's Hebrew 4148: 1) discipline, chastening, correction 1a) discipline, correction 1b) chastening

And by His stripes we are healed.
6All we like sheep have gone astray;
We have turned, every one, to his own way;
And the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.
7He was oppressed and He was afflicted,
Yet He opened not His mouth;
He was led as a lamb to the slaughter,
And as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
So He opened not His mouth.
8He was taken from prison and from judgment,
And who will declare His generation?
For He was cut off from the land of the living;
For the transgressions of My people He was stricken.
9And they made His grave with the wicked—
But with the rich at His death,
Because He had done no violence,
Nor was any deceit in His mouth.
10Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise Him;
He has put Him to grief.
When You make His soul an offering for sin,
He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days,
And the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in His hand.
11He shall see the labor of His soul, and be satisfied.
By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many,
For He shall bear their iniquities.
12Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great,
And He shall divide the spoil with the strong,
Because He poured out His soul unto death,
And He was numbered with the transgressors,
And He bore the sin of many,
And made intercession for the transgressors.

David in NJ said:

OK - In order for CHRIST to shed His Blood for the Brit Chadasha/Yeremiah 31:31-34 what MUST take place???

Answer: Isaiah 53

Surely He has borne our griefs
And carried our sorrows;
Yet we esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten by God, and afflicted.
5But He was wounded for our transgressions,
He was bruised for our iniquities;
The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, =
the punishment
מוּסַ֤ר (mū·sar)
Noun - masculine singular construct
Strong's Hebrew 4148: 1) discipline, chastening, correction 1a) discipline, correction 1b) chastening

And by His stripes we are healed.
6All we like sheep have gone astray;
We have turned, every one, to his own way;
And the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.
7He was oppressed and He was afflicted,
Yet He opened not His mouth;
He was led as a lamb to the slaughter,
And as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
So He opened not His mouth.
8He was taken from prison and from judgment,
And who will declare His generation?
For He was cut off from the land of the living;
For the transgressions of My people He was stricken.
9And they made His grave with the wicked—
But with the rich at His death,
Because He had done no violence,
Nor was any deceit in His mouth.
10Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise Him;
He has put Him to grief.
When You make His soul an offering for sin,
He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days,
And the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in His hand.
11He shall see the labor of His soul, and be satisfied.
By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many,
For He shall bear their iniquities.
12Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great,
And He shall divide the spoil with the strong,
Because He poured out His soul unto death,
And He was numbered with the transgressors,
And He bore the sin of many,
And made intercession for the transgressors.

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absolutely true . And let GOD be true but every man a liar .
From page one of genesis to the last word in revelation . let GOD be true but every man who twists and omits his words
a liar . Lovely reminder my friend . That is exactly what did occur . On those feet and to the trenches .

David in NJ said:

OK - In order for CHRIST to shed His Blood for the Brit Chadasha/Yeremiah 31:31-34 what MUST take place???

Answer: Isaiah 53

Surely He has borne our griefs
And carried our sorrows;
Yet we esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten by God, and afflicted.
5But He was wounded for our transgressions,
He was bruised for our iniquities;
The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, =
the punishment
מוּסַ֤ר (mū·sar)
Noun - masculine singular construct
Strong's Hebrew 4148: 1) discipline, chastening, correction 1a) discipline, correction 1b) chastening

And by His stripes we are healed.
6All we like sheep have gone astray;
We have turned, every one, to his own way;
And the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.
7He was oppressed and He was afflicted,
Yet He opened not His mouth;
He was led as a lamb to the slaughter,
And as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
So He opened not His mouth.
8He was taken from prison and from judgment,
And who will declare His generation?
For He was cut off from the land of the living;
For the transgressions of My people He was stricken.
9And they made His grave with the wicked—
But with the rich at His death,
Because He had done no violence,
Nor was any deceit in His mouth.
10Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise Him;
He has put Him to grief.
When You make His soul an offering for sin,
He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days,
And the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in His hand.
11He shall see the labor of His soul, and be satisfied.
By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many,
For He shall bear their iniquities.
12Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great,
And He shall divide the spoil with the strong,
Because He poured out His soul unto death,
And He was numbered with the transgressors,
And He bore the sin of many,
And made intercession for the transgressors.

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the chastisement for OUR PEACE was upon HIM .
And by whose BLOOD were we reconciled to GOD . exactly BY JESUS BLOOD .
And unto all who do BELIEVE in HIM they have peace WITH GOD .
So any peace plan that by means of interreligious dialgoue that omits the fact YE MUST BELEIVE
and LIES to all false religoins and says that christains and all religoins serve the same God
and that we must be as one for world peace . OH THAT PEACE PLAN IS NOT OF GOD .
IT denied the one true peace plan of GOD . WHO also said IN THIS WORLD ye will have TRIBULATIONS .
And that HE did not come to bring peace on earth .
But , hey david , SOMEONE ELSE SURE DOES . And that one is not the one the SHEEP DO HEAR
nor gather under the love of its ecumeincal harlot or the peace of its anti christ .
The sheep HEAR one VOICE . And i bet you KNOW whose voice that is my friend . JESUS .
And their motto is LET GOD BE TRUE but every man a liar . Now to the trenches my friend for the hour grows only later .

amigo de christo said:

absolutely true . And let GOD be true but every man a liar .
From page one of genesis to the last word in revelation . let GOD be true but every man who twists and omits his words
a liar . Lovely reminder my friend . That is exactly what did occur . On those feet and to the trenches .

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David in NJ said:

OK - In order for CHRIST to shed His Blood for the Brit Chadasha/Yeremiah 31:31-34 what MUST take place???

Answer: Isaiah 53

Surely He has borne our griefs
And carried our sorrows;
Yet we esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten by God, and afflicted.
5But He was wounded for our transgressions,
He was bruised for our iniquities;
The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, =
the punishment
מוּסַ֤ר (mū·sar)
Noun - masculine singular construct
Strong's Hebrew 4148: 1) discipline, chastening, correction 1a) discipline, correction 1b) chastening

And by His stripes we are healed.
6All we like sheep have gone astray;
We have turned, every one, to his own way;
And the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.
7He was oppressed and He was afflicted,
Yet He opened not His mouth;
He was led as a lamb to the slaughter,
And as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
So He opened not His mouth.
8He was taken from prison and from judgment,
And who will declare His generation?
For He was cut off from the land of the living;
For the transgressions of My people He was stricken.
9And they made His grave with the wicked—
But with the rich at His death,
Because He had done no violence,
Nor was any deceit in His mouth.
10Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise Him;
He has put Him to grief.
When You make His soul an offering for sin,
He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days,
And the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in His hand.
11He shall see the labor of His soul, and be satisfied.
By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many,
For He shall bear their iniquities.
12Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great,
And He shall divide the spoil with the strong,
Because He poured out His soul unto death,
And He was numbered with the transgressors,
And He bore the sin of many,
And made intercession for the transgressors.

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so too did this occur and is TRUTH .
As we know every word of GOD is TRUE and IS TRUTH and is meat for his sheep .
THIS occurred .
IN the beginning was THE WORD and the Word was with GOD
and the Word was GOD . And all things were created by HIM .
And the WORD became flesh . THAT IS WHO WALKED AMONG men . THAT IS WHO came to save us .
That is not just a who that IS THE WHO , as in THE ONE , THE ONLY , CREATOR of all that was created . Oh yes .
That is TRUTH as is every word of GOD the truth . THE book of the sheep IS THE BIBLE
and that GOD and his CHRIST is our GOD and our Christ . And the sheep march forwards
following the great King and Shepard of the sheep , CHRIST JESUS . hirelings , oh no no no no , they DO NOT HEED THEM .

LoveYeshua said:

Yes David I know of all this like you do too but one must be careful here too often people confound the actions of God and human actions, it is not so , who can say here they understand God. we must be careful in concluding on God's actions in this case the mentioned verses

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AGREE

10Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise Him;
He has put Him to grief.
When You make His soul an offering for sin,

BELIEVE exactly what HE Says my Brother in YAHshua HaMashiach.

Here is the CONFIRMATION of Isaiah 53 that it is exactly what HE Says = Revelation 13:8

All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life
of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

IMPORTANT = GOD's Wrath was NOT upon JESUS on the Cross

GOD's Chastisement was upon JESUS on the Cross = but not for His correction, for JESUS bore our sins
My son, do not despise the chastening of the Lord,
Nor detest His correction;
For whom the Lord loves He corrects,
Just as a father the son in whom he delights.

David in NJ said:

OK - In order for CHRIST to shed His Blood for the Brit Chadasha/Yeremiah 31:31-34 what MUST take place???

Answer: Isaiah 53

Surely He has borne our griefs
And carried our sorrows;
Yet we esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten by God, and afflicted.
5But He was wounded for our transgressions,
He was bruised for our iniquities;
The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, =
the punishment
מוּסַ֤ר (mū·sar)
Noun - masculine singular construct
Strong's Hebrew 4148: 1) discipline, chastening, correction 1a) discipline, correction 1b) chastening

And by His stripes we are healed.
6All we like sheep have gone astray;
We have turned, every one, to his own way;
And the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.
7He was oppressed and He was afflicted,
Yet He opened not His mouth;
He was led as a lamb to the slaughter,
And as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
So He opened not His mouth.
8He was taken from prison and from judgment,
And who will declare His generation?
For He was cut off from the land of the living;
For the transgressions of My people He was stricken.
9And they made His grave with the wicked—
But with the rich at His death,
Because He had done no violence,
Nor was any deceit in His mouth.
10Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise Him;
He has put Him to grief.
When You make His soul an offering for sin,
He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days,
And the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in His hand.
11He shall see the labor of His soul, and be satisfied.
By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many,
For He shall bear their iniquities.
12Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great,
And He shall divide the spoil with the strong,
Because He poured out His soul unto death,
And He was numbered with the transgressors,
And He bore the sin of many,
And made intercession for the transgressors.

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and now a question and a word .
If a man or woman whether jewish or gentile
does hear the glorious gospel of JESUS , the one that darn sure says YE MUST BELIEVE
and says nope me is gonna stick to my budda , or atheism or so called cliam of torah and moses
or says muhammed and jesus are co partners so i stay a muslim ,
WHO DID THEY JUST CALL A LIAR .
And if one calleth HIM a liar , what do you suppose shall be their end . a hint what ryhmes with liar
Fiar does . as in LAKE OF IT . YOu cannot call GOD a liar and expect a good nice end cause maybe you hugged
someone and fed some poor . FOR WITHOUT FAITH IT has always been IMPOSSIBLE to please HIM .
And if ones faith b e not in HIS CHRIST , well then THEIR FAITH BE NOT IN GOD WHO TESTFIED ON HIM .
THEY call GOD A LIAR .
and now where else do we see this word impossible . WELL we see it in , IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD TO LIE .
AND , AND when JESUS USED IT .
AND HOW AND WHEN DID HE USE that word .
WHEN HE was asked by shocked desicples WHO LORD THEN CAN BE SAVED . WHO CAN BE SAVED . WHO LORD CAN BE SAVED .
and HE SAID , with MAN is not possible BUT IMPOSSIBLE . But that WITH GOD all things are possible .
AND according to THE TRUTH
WELL HERE IS THE TRUTH . HOW DID GOD CHOOSE to save the world dav id .
Would you like paul to answer it . Okay then let us allow his words to give us the answer .
FOR GOD HAS CHOSEN by THE PREACHING to save those who .............WHO DO WHAT DAVID .
THOSE WHO DENY HIM , OR THOSE WHO BELEIVE . DO choose the latter . ITS THOSE WHO BLEIEVE .
IN Fact what DID JESUS say about those who did not believe on HIM .
YE BELIEVE NOT because YOU ARE NOT MY SHEEP .
MY SHEEP HEAR MY VOICE . and oh yeah david , HIS SHEEP SURE DO HEAR HIS VOICE .
AND GUESS what HIS VOICE IS
IF ya said TRUTH . BINGO again . FOR GOD cannot lie . I say again GOD CANNOT LIE .
And it was for this , FOR THIS reason JESUS came into the world and for this reason was he born
TO TESTIFY OF THE TRUTH . as i said GOD cANNOT LIE . but the all inclusvie ecuumeinal whore sure does . and many
have bought her love . But NOT THE SHEEP david . cause the sheep BUY ONLY .......................only what david
THE TRUTH .

David in NJ said:

AGREE

10Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise Him;
He has put Him to grief.
When You make His soul an offering for sin,

BELIEVE exactly what HE Says my Brother in YAHshua HaMashiach.

Here is the CONFIRMATION of Isaiah 53 that it is exactly what HE Says = Revelation 13:8

All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life
of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

IMPORTANT = GOD's Wrath was NOT upon JESUS on the Cross

GOD's Chastisement was upon JESUS on the Cross = but not for His correction, for JESUS bore our sins
My son, do not despise the chastening of the Lord,
Nor detest His correction;
For whom the Lord loves He corrects,
Just as a father the son in whom he delights.

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all who dwell on the earth will worship him , THE BEAST , whose names were not written in the lambs , OH YES
THE LAMBS , as IN JESUS , book of life . remember what i wrote earlier .
Of course the apostel john had first said it . And lets just go ahead and say it again .
JUST who do folks really think JESUS IS . THE WORD OF GOD ALL MIGHTY
that indeed was in the b eginning , that indeed BY HIM were all things created that were created .
That in fact , AS IT IS CLEARLY CLEARLY written and stated and said IN that BIBLE
IMMANUEL .
AS in in the beginning was THE WORD and the WORD was with GOD and the WORD was God .
WHEN JESUS IS DENIED , GOD IS DENEID . and that is a fact no matter what any man , any angel or any other created thing
dares to say . DENY GOD and prepare to wail , thus TO DENY THE SON prepare to wail .
And yet many sit under the ever growing ALL inclusive broad path of an ecumeincal harlot
and her interfaith plan of anti christ for what they THINK gonna bring down peace n safety . NO , NO IT WONT . NOT ON JESUS DAY and now a word of reminder .
after all of that and all these years of pointing to JESUS and exposing the love of a harlot
GUESS WHO IS THE NUMBER ONE MAN ON IGNORE on this site as well as many other sites i visit .
THIS ONE IS . WE IN the last of the last of days . On that i have no doubt .

David in NJ said:

AGREE

10Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise Him;
He has put Him to grief.
When You make His soul an offering for sin,

BELIEVE exactly what HE Says my Brother in YAHshua HaMashiach.

Here is the CONFIRMATION of Isaiah 53 that it is exactly what HE Says = Revelation 13:8

All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life
of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

IMPORTANT = GOD's Wrath was NOT upon JESUS on the Cross

GOD's Chastisement was upon JESUS on the Cross = but not for His correction, for JESUS bore our sins
My son, do not despise the chastening of the Lord,
Nor detest His correction;
For whom the Lord loves He corrects,
Just as a father the son in whom he delights.

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On those feet saldado for we have exploits to do . Trench time in the house . Bible time in the house .
Let none look back . Putting the hand to the plow and marching ever onwards in and by the Glorious LORD .

amigo de christo said:

and now a question and a word .
If a man or woman whether jewish or gentile
does hear the glorious gospel of JESUS , the one that darn sure says YE MUST BELIEVE
and says nope me is gonna stick to my budda , or atheism or so called cliam of torah and moses
or says muhammed and jesus are co partners so i stay a muslim ,
WHO DID THEY JUST CALL A LIAR .
And if one calleth HIM a liar , what do you suppose shall be their end . a hint what ryhmes with liar
Fiar does . as in LAKE OF IT . YOu cannot call GOD a liar and expect a good nice end cause maybe you hugged
someone and fed some poor . FOR WITHOUT FAITH IT has always been IMPOSSIBLE to please HIM .
And if ones faith b e not in HIS CHRIST , well then THEIR FAITH BE NOT IN GOD WHO TESTFIED ON HIM .
THEY call GOD A LIAR .
and now where else do we see this word impossible . WELL we see it in , IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD TO LIE .
AND , AND when JESUS USED IT .
AND HOW AND WHEN DID HE USE that word .
WHEN HE was asked by shocked desicples WHO LORD THEN CAN BE SAVED . WHO CAN BE SAVED . WHO LORD CAN BE SAVED .
and HE SAID , with MAN is not possible BUT IMPOSSIBLE . But that WITH GOD all things are possible .
AND according to THE TRUTH
WELL HERE IS THE TRUTH . HOW DID GOD CHOOSE to save the world dav id .
Would you like paul to answer it . Okay then let us allow his words to give us the answer .
FOR GOD HAS CHOSEN by THE PREACHING to save those who .............WHO DO WHAT DAVID .
THOSE WHO DENY HIM , OR THOSE WHO BELEIVE . DO choose the latter . ITS THOSE WHO BLEIEVE .
IN Fact what DID JESUS say about those who did not believe on HIM .
YE BELIEVE NOT because YOU ARE NOT MY SHEEP .
MY SHEEP HEAR MY VOICE . and oh yeah david , HIS SHEEP SURE DO HEAR HIS VOICE .
AND GUESS what HIS VOICE IS
IF ya said TRUTH . BINGO again . FOR GOD cannot lie . I say again GOD CANNOT LIE .
And it was for this , FOR THIS reason JESUS came into the world and for this reason was he born
TO TESTIFY OF THE TRUTH . as i said GOD cANNOT LIE . but the all inclusvie ecuumeinal whore sure does . and many
have bought her love . But NOT THE SHEEP david . cause the sheep BUY ONLY .......................only what david
THE TRUTH .

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LoveYeshua said:

sorry Ronald I have no more time for you on this topic, you still persist too bad. Paul was addressing the church in Corinth not gentiles directly, the way Paul wrote was special, read a bit about it his style to provoke a reaction, his epistles are difficult for people who don't know this. keep thinking that Jesus was made sin on the cross and was punished by God, it is really blasphemy so think so. and yes the 2 concepts are completely contradictory.

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It is blasphemy to no t think that way.

Now you tie up the Corinthian letters which God gave for all the church! You hide secret messages in there and ignore the plain simple words God Himself inspired to be written.

He (God) made HIim(Jesus). So Jesus was MADE something He was not otherwise was! What was Jesus made? To be sin for us. Jesus became sin. It does not say Jesus was a sinner or started sinning- it says that jesus was made something He was not ! Sin. FOR US! Why? so that we would become the righteousness of God in Him.

You are too narrow focused and do not see the depth of love That Teh Father and Son have for us.

Sin has to be punished and jesus was punished in our place on the cross! that is why He cried "My god, My god , why have you utterly abandoned me? Because He was sin at that point and god was punishing sin in Jesus! God made Him to be that in the eternal counsel of the God head!

You need to pray to see this and open your heart to the deep seated abiding love that God has for us His children.

If you want nothing more to do with me---FINE ! Have the last word! But do not do no t d o not sell God short at what took place at Calvary!

LoveYeshua said:

All I said Is from scripture you will never understand Ronald sorry no time for you on this, I have other people who need help, I have given you all the help I can to you over time on this and also explained other false doctrines of yours,and tried to bring you back to the fold but you never listen and want everything your way. On the day of Judgment and that will be soon for all of us, we shall be judged by the words of Jesus. Just remember that Ronald learn quickly what jesus requires of us before its too late the door will be shut soon enough as we will soon see ourselves. I do not Judge you Brother I love you and wish you well, just listen to jesus and you wil l be fine, follow Jesus always.

Adieu.

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Well if we cannot understand it from Scripture, then it is not worth understanding. It is scripture that was given to us to know doctrine and truth and compare all things.

LoveYeshua said:

Ronald scripture is ususlly clear . Jesus' words are crystal clear, Paul's are not easy to understand and unfortunately confuse many, I know I was one of them, for 20 plus years I stopped reading the Holy bible because I saw or taught I saw contradictions with what Chris was saying. Fta=on that I learned this lesson : Jesus is the truth in all things . If Paul seem to say something else its because we did not understand. If you see a contradiction, The words of Christ have precedence, Why? because is is one with God and his words are eternal life.

Blessings.

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""because I saw or taught I saw contradictions with what Chris was saying""
Do you claim that GOD was INCAPABLE of ensuring that the teachings of Paul were not accurate for the audience he was sent to teach to ?