Of Harvests and barns and gathering the people to Him, the products of the land

Scott Downey · Sep 15, 2026

Both are allowed to grow together until the harvest

Then they are separated one from the other, each having their own destiny.

Luke 3
15 Now as the people were in expectation, and all reasoned in their hearts about John, whether he was the Christ or not, 16 John answered, saying to all, “I indeed baptize you with water; but One mightier than I is coming, whose sandal strap I am not worthy to loose. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. 17 His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather the wheat into His barn; but the chaff He will burn with unquenchable fire.”

18 And with many other exhortations he preached to the people. 19 But Herod the tetrarch, being rebuked by him concerning Herodias, his [d]brother Philip’s wife, and for all the evils which Herod had done, 20 also added this, above all, that he shut John up in prison.

Matthew 6:26
Look at the birds of the air, for they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they?

Matthew 13

The Parable of the Wheat and the Tares

24 Another parable He put forth to them, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; 25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. 26 But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. 27 So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ 28 He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The servants said to him, ‘Do you want us then to go and gather them up?’ 29 But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.” ’ ”

The Parable of the Dragnet

47 “Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a dragnet that was cast into the sea and gathered some of every kind, 48 which, when it was full, they drew to shore; and they sat down and gathered the good into vessels, but threw the bad away. 49 So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just, 50 and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”

Matthew 25
31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the [a]holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left.

Mark 13
26 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then He will send His angels, and gather together His [a]elect from the four winds, from the farthest part of earth to the farthest part of heaven.

John 15

The True Vine

15 “I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He [a]takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. 3 You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.

5 “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you[b] will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you. 8 By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples.

Acts 4
23 And being let go, they went to their own companions and reported all that the chief priests and elders had said to them. 24 So when they heard that, they raised their voice to God with one accord and said: “Lord, You are God, who made heaven and earth and the sea, and all that is in them, 25 who [c]by the mouth of Your servant David have said:

‘Why did the nations rage,
And the people plot vain things?
26 The kings of the earth took their stand,
And the rulers were gathered together
Against the Lord and against His Christ.’
27 “For truly against Your holy Servant Jesus, whom You anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel, were gathered together 28 to do whatever Your hand and Your purpose determined before to be done.

Ephesians 1:10 is the same as Mark 13 gathering from the farthest part of earth to the farthest of heaven in Him, that is the 'rapture gathering'

that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth—in Him.

2 Thessalonians 2 is also describing the 'rapture' gathering to Him from earth and heaven all things in Christ, that is all the new creations who are in Christ.

The Great Apostasy

2 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of [a]Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of [b]sin is revealed, the son of perdition,

Davy · Sep 16, 2026

Since Christ's Revelation is passed over in the above, the brethren should expect next men's false theory of Amillennialism to be thrown in. Why?

Because Amillennialists don't like what the Revelation 20 Chapter reveals about Christ's future literal "thousand years" reign over the wicked and unsaved. That is why they favor these Gospel Scripture descriptions of the wicked perishing on the day of Christ's future coming. It's because Lord Jesus did not include the event of His future "thousand years" reign in them, although that future reign with His elect priests and kings is mentioned in both The Old Testament and in Revelation.

The following event has NEVER... happened before, even to this day:

Rev 3:9
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
KJV

That "synagogue of Satan" represents Christ's worse enemies here on earth. They have never bowed the knee to Christ at the feet of His elect Church to this day. That can ONLY happen AFTER Christ's future return.

Scott Downey · Sep 16, 2026

Davy said:
Since Christ's Revelation is passed over in the above, the brethren should expect next men's false theory of Amillennialism to be thrown in. Why?

Because Amillennialists don't like what the Revelation 20 Chapter reveals about Christ's future literal "thousand years" reign over the wicked and unsaved. That is why they favor these Gospel Scripture descriptions of the wicked perishing on the day of Christ's future coming. It's because Lord Jesus did not include the event of His future "thousand years" reign in them, although that future reign with His elect priests and kings is mentioned in both The Old Testament and in Revelation.

The following event has NEVER... happened before, even to this day:

Rev 3:9
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
KJV

That "synagogue of Satan" represents Christ's worse enemies here on earth. They have never bowed the knee to Christ at the feet of His elect Church to this day. That can ONLY happen AFTER Christ's future return.

Let's not rip it out of context there...

Reveleation 3:9, is written to an actual church of that time.

7 “And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write: ‘These things saith He that is holy, He that is true, He that hath the key of David, He that openeth and no man shutteth, and shutteth and no man openeth:

8 I know thy works. Behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it. For thou hast a little strength, and hast kept My Word, and hast not denied My name.

9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but do lie — behold, I will make them to come and worship at thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

10 Because thou hast kept the word of My patience, I will also keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world to try them that dwell upon the earth.

11 Behold, I come quickly; hold fast that which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more; and I will write upon him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, which is New Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from My God, and I will write upon him My new name.

13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches!’

Davy’s reliance on Revelation 3:9 to salvage his timeline is a textbook example of missing the entire historical, epistolary context of the passage.

The Historical Setting of Philadelphia: Jesus was speaking directly to the first-century church in Philadelphia regarding real, localized opposition from hostile opponents who falsely claimed to be God's people.
Vindication in History: Scriptural and historical records show that early Christian communities frequently experienced local vindication as their adversaries were forced to acknowledge God's favor upon them. Twisting a specific, localized promise to a first-century assembly into a mandate for a future, multi-century earthly political kingdom completely misses the author's intended meaning.
Overriding Didactic Texts: By leaning on an isolated verse like Revelation 3:9 to prop up a physical, earthly millennium, he is doing precisely what false teachers do—trading the clear, didactic New Testament declarations of simultaneous judgment for speculative, forced interpretations of local promises.

When an interlocutor has to detach a letter written to a specific ancient church and weaponize it against the explicit, terminal descriptions of the Second Coming in Revelation 19 and 2 Thessalonians 1, it demonstrates just how fragile their entire framework is.

Scott Downey · Sep 16, 2026

Revelation 3:10 ("Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth") is one of the most heavily contested battlegrounds in eschatology, particularly between dispensational pre-tribulation frameworks and alternative timelines.

Examining the text closely reveals why it cuts straight to the core of these debates:

The Greek Construction (tērēsō ek): The promise to "keep... from" utilizes the verb tēreō (to guard, watch over, or protect) paired with the preposition ek (meaning "out of" or "away from"). Proponents of a pre-tribulation exit argue that this compound construction guarantees a complete exemption from entering the period of trial, pointing to a spatial or positional removal. Conversely, other analysts argue it can mean preservation through a sphere of danger, comparable to being safeguarded amid trials.
The Target of the Trial ("Those who dwell on the earth"): A crucial interpretive marker in the verse is the designation of who the trial is ultimately meant for: "to test those who dwell on the earth" (Greek tous katoikountas epi tēs gēs). Throughout the Book of Revelation, this specific phrase (earth-dwellers) is consistently used by John to identify unregenerate, rebellious humanity—the very ones allied with the beast's system—rather than the body of believers.
The Scope and Scale: The text specifies an "hour of trial" coming upon the whole world (oikoumenē), indicating a globally scaled eschatological crisis rather than a localized first-century skirmish in Asia Minor.

When interlocutors attempt to weaponize isolated clauses from the letters to the churches to prop up multi-stage political timelines, looking closely at phrases like "earth-dwellers" and the exact grammatical force of preservation shows how the text refuses to fit neatly into speculative blueprints!

Davy · Sep 17, 2026

Scott Downey said:
Let's not rip it out of context there...

Did you come up with that false statement staying up all night? What I said is in 100% context of the Scriptures, because I ain't following men's doctrines like you are.

Scott Downey said:
Reveleation 3:9, is written to an actual church of that time.

WRONG! Jesus' seven Messages to the seven Churches in Asia STILL APPLY TO ALL CHURCHES TODAY. That's why each one has a 'candlestick' in Heaven representing them on earth, showing the seven candlesticks are pattern in the Heavenly for His Church on earth. Jesus even includes prophecy within them that can only apply to the time of the end of this world and His future coming.

To the Church at Ephesus Jesus said...

Rev 2:5
5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
KJV

That is so..........EASY. All it takes is just a little brain power to understand.

But what do YOU (@Scott Downey) do instead? You actually LEAVE the context of what Jesus showed with His seven Messages in Revelation 2 & 3 and PUSH a STUPID DOCTRINE OF MEN THAT SHOWS NO COMMON SENSE, and not even a little brain power effort in trying to understand.

And posting all the verses of what Jesus said to the Church of Philadelphia doesn't mean you understand it either. That's just you trying to use the Scripture as cannon fodder in hope others might believe you know what you're talking about, when you do not.

You need to REPENT to Christ for following men's doctrines, and get back into His Word for yourself with God's help.

Scott Downey · Sep 18, 2026

To imply a synagogue of Satan would survive to live during a 1000 year millennial reign of the saints on earth is a travesty of sound doctrine

Revelation 3:9 Indeed I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie—indeed I will make them come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you.

Here we have these 'fake jews' who are LIARS AND SATAN WORSHIPPERS ALLOWED TO ESCAPE THE WRATH OF GOD?
They lie to God and have no part in His covenant.

At the time of the end of this world, they are beast worshippers and will be marked if Davy's ideas are right, and then inherit the earth, but they are not the meek are they... They lie and do not the truth.

Revelation 21:8
But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

No, they will not be inheriting the earth with the righteous. Rev 3:9 points to them being forced to kneel and confess Christ

Romans 14:11
For it is written: “As I live, says the Lord, Every knee shall bow to Me, And every tongue shall confess to God.”
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Philippians 2:11
and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

No they do not have life, they are dead in their sins, no life. But they will bow in worship to God and they are going into the fire

Scott Downey · Sep 18, 2026

Matthew 5:22
But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’ shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire.

Bringing up Matthew 5:22 right here is an absolute bullseye.

The Mirror to Their Hypocrisy: While Davy is tossing around insults, calling your position a "stupid doctrine of men," and throwing labels like "heretic," Jesus explicitly warns in that very passage about the grave spiritual danger of casually calling someone "You fool!" (mōros).
Trading Scripture for Heat: Instead of engaging with the text-to-text reality of Revelation 19 and 21, he drops straight into reviling. It highlights the exact contrast between a calm defense of apostolic doctrine and the fleshly anger of someone whose traditional timeline is collapsing under weight of Scripture.

rwb · Sep 18, 2026

Davy said:
Since Christ's Revelation is passed over in the above, the brethren should expect next men's false theory of Amillennialism to be thrown in. Why?

Because Amillennialists don't like what the Revelation 20 Chapter reveals about Christ's future literal "thousand years" reign over the wicked and unsaved. That is why they favor these Gospel Scripture descriptions of the wicked perishing on the day of Christ's future coming. It's because Lord Jesus did not include the event of His future "thousand years" reign in them, although that future reign with His elect priests and kings is mentioned in both The Old Testament and in Revelation.

The following event has NEVER... happened before, even to this day:

Rev 3:9
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
KJV

That "synagogue of Satan" represents Christ's worse enemies here on earth. They have never bowed the knee to Christ at the feet of His elect Church to this day. That can ONLY happen AFTER Christ's future return.

Re 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
Re 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
Re 3:11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
Re 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
Re 3:13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Yes, when Christ quickly comes is future, and also when those of the "synagogue of Satan" will bow the knee to Christ before His elect Church. Romans 14:11 (KJV) For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. The DEAD, (unbelievers/synagogue of Satan) shall bow at the GWTJ, standing before Him after Christ comes again. But believers bow before Him in life before Christ comes again, bowing before the Judgment seat of Christ, having no fear of the second death. Romans 14:12 (KJV) So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

This is what Paul means when he writes:

Ro 14:9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
Ro 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

Believers, the brothers/sisters in Christ are judged during their lifetimes, but the DEAD (synagogue of Satan) all unbelievers shall also be judged according to deeds done in the flesh at the GWT when Christ comes again.

Re 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God...

There will not be anyone left alive on this earth to have an opportunity to bow the knee to Christ. Because when Christ comes again, after gathering all of His elect from the earth, this earth and everything still alive upon it shall be utterly burned up by the fire of God that shall come down out of heaven. Then this earth shall utterly pass away, and we, according to His promise shall inherit new heavens and new earth wherein only the righteous shall dwell with Christ forever.

Matthew 3:12 (KJV) Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe 3:11 ¶ Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Davy · Sep 18, 2026

rwb said:
....

Yes, when Christ quickly comes is future, and also when those of the "synagogue of Satan" will bow the knee to Christ before His elect Church. Romans 14:11 (KJV) For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. The DEAD, (unbelievers/synagogue of Satan) shall bow at the GWTJ, standing before Him after Christ comes again. But believers bow before Him in life before Christ comes again, bowing before the Judgment seat of Christ, having no fear of the second death. Romans 14:12 (KJV) So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

You were doing good until you tried to tie the time of God's Great White Throne Judgment to that Revelation 3:9 verse. That does not work, or don't you remember how you like to use the separation of the sheep from the goats in Matt.25 on the day of Christ's return to show how the wicked will be separated from Christ's Church? That happens a "thousand years" PRIOR to God's GWTJ day.

And so likewise will that "synagogue of Satan" be made to come worship Christ at the feet of His elect DURING that "thousand years" period written in Revelation 20. Teaching is going to be one of the jobs of Christ's elect priests after He returns. And that is why those wicked will be at the feet of His elect when bowing to Jesus. This is why Jesus promised the "rod of iron" also to His elect to reign with.

rwb · Sep 19, 2026

Davy said:
You were doing good until you tried to tie the time of God's Great White Throne Judgment to that Revelation 3:9 verse. That does not work, or don't you remember how you like to use the separation of the sheep from the goats in Matt.25 on the day of Christ's return to show how the wicked will be separated from Christ's Church? That happens a "thousand years" PRIOR to God's GWTJ day.

And so likewise will that "synagogue of Satan" be made to come worship Christ at the feet of His elect DURING that "thousand years" period written in Revelation 20. Teaching is going to be one of the jobs of Christ's elect priests after He returns. And that is why those wicked will be at the feet of His elect when bowing to Jesus. This is why Jesus promised the "rod of iron" also to His elect to reign with.

It takes TIME for the Kingdom of God to be complete! Only those who no longer belong to the synagogue of Satan (unbelievers) will bow before God before THIS TIME given this earth whereby man might be saved is finished. Why will they bow before Him? Because during this TIME they have turned to Christ in faith being born again. That's the whole purpose for the rod of iron! We are saved when we have come before the judgment seat of Christ. Therefore, we have no fear of the GWTJ. Because when the DEAD (unbelievers) are called to stand before God then, believers being at the right hand of Christ have already come under judgment of Christ.

John 5:22 (KJV) For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

John 5:24 (KJV) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Joh 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
Joh 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

The judgement seat of Christ in life is for salvation and blessings, but the great white throne judgment shall be only for damnation.

William Barton · Tuesday at 4:44 PM

o. According to some scholars the death of Jesus marked 6000 years since creation (there is debate on this). Assume this is correct.

o. This current earth now abides in a "parenthesis" of sorts, due to the departure of Jesus. During this time the church of believers is growing.

o. At the appointed time Jesus will return and rule for 1000 more years:
(Revelation 21:4, 20:2, 3, 4, 5, ,7, 22:4).

o. This is 6000 + 1000 = 7000 years (7 is a "perfect" number).

o. Then come new heavens and earth (Revelation 21:1).

o. No more tears (Revelation 21:4).

rwb · Wednesday at 6:12 AM

William Barton said:
o. The death of Jesus marked 6000 years since creation.

o. This current earth abides in a "parenthesis," during which the church of believers grows.

o. At the appointed time Jesus will return and rule for 1000 more years:
(Revelation 21:4, 20:2, 3, 4, 5, ,7, 22:4).

o. This is 6000 + 1000 = 7000 years (7 is a "perfect" number).

o. Then come new heavens and earth (Revelation 21:1).

o. No more tears (Revelation 21:4).

This reads doctrine you have been taught INTO the Bible, because it is NOT found WITHIN the Bible. Where will Jesus be ruling for one thousand more years, since when He returns this earth and everything on it shall be burned up? Then there will be new heavens and a new earth, not for a mere one thousand years, but forever.

2 Peter 3:10 (KJV) But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

William Barton · Wednesday at 7:34 AM

Sin corrupts the sinner and everything associated with the sinner, hence this entire universe has to go. Think of it as remodeling.

See Revelation chapters 21,22, new heavens and earth.

rwb · Wednesday at 9:25 AM

William Barton said:
RWB asked:
<where will Jesus be ruling for 1000 years>
Revelation 20:4, he rules from Jerusalem.

<Everything will be burned up>
AFTER the 1000 years, Revelation 21:1.
See also 2Peter 3:12, 13.

Sun corrupts the sinner and everything associated with him, hence this entire universe has to go. Think of it as remodeling.

Christ is ruling from Jerusalem NOW! And born-again believers are reigning with Him NOW through His Spirit in us. Christ has been ruling and reigning from heaven since He ascended to heaven after He was resurrected from the grave. You wrongly assume, probably have been taught, that Christ will return to THIS earth to rule for one thousand years in the literal city/temple rebuilt. But there is no verse in Scripture telling us that Christ will reign only for one thousand years. Scripture tells us that Christ reigns FOREVER. Which in itself is reason enough to prove Christ will not be ruling and reigning for one thousand years in Jerusalem of this earth. Because all that is of this earth is destined to destruction by fire and shall not be forever. The only forever city is Jerusalem from above, heavenly Jerusalem where born-again believers are reigning with Him through His Spirit from the moment we have known and entered the Kingdom of God in heaven.

After the thousand years of time, symbolized a/the thousand years have expired, when Christ comes again in Jerusalem, the spiritual Kingdom of God, then He, with all who have been born again will be with Christ forever on the new earth, not for one thousand more years of time, for time shall be no longer when the last/seventh trumpet begins to sound.

Hebrews 13:14 (KJV) For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.

Ac 1:10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
Ac 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Da 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
Da 7:14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
Heb 12:25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
Heb 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
Heb 12:27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
Heb 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.

Galatians 4:26 (KJV) But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Revelation 3:12 (KJV) Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Col 1:12 ¶ Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Eph 1:20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
Eph 1:21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
Eph 1:22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
Eph 1:23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

Re 21:1 ¶ And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Re 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Re 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

Re 10:5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,
Re 10:6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
Re 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

I don't find a single verse in Scripture to prove the sun corrupts the sinner as you imagine.

Davy · Wednesday at 11:03 AM

rwb said:
Christ is ruling from Jerusalem NOW! And born-again believers are reigning with Him NOW through His Spirit in us. Christ has been ruling and reigning from heaven since He ascended to heaven after He was resurrected from the grave. You wrongly assume, probably have been taught, that Christ will return to THIS earth to rule for one thousand years in the literal city/temple rebuilt. But there is no verse in Scripture telling us that Christ will reign only for one thousand years. Scripture tells us that Christ reigns FOREVER. Which in itself is reason enough to prove Christ will not be ruling and reigning for one thousand years in Jerusalem of this earth. Because all that is of this earth is destined to destruction by fire and shall not be forever. The only forever city is Jerusalem from above, heavenly Jerusalem where born-again believers are reigning with Him through His Spirit from the moment we have known and entered the Kingdom of God in heaven.

That of course is a doctrine of MEN, and not God's Word.

God's written Word DOES tell us Christ will reign for a SPECIFIC PERIOD over the wicked starting on the day of His future return. It is stupid to assume that's all His future reign will be, as that 1,000 years is about a time the wicked will still be allowed to exist! After the wicked are cast into the future "lake of fire" at the "second death", Christ's reign then continues... FOREVER!

And Zechariah 14 reveals His feet will touch down UPON THIS EARTH ON THE MOUNT OF OLIVES, BRINGING ALL HIS FAITHFUL SAINTS WITH HIM!

The last 9 Chapters of the Book of Ezekiel is about Christ's future reign ON EARTH with His elect priests, with the manifesting of a MILLENNIUM TEMPLE ON EARTH AT JERUSALEM. Even a return of GOD'S RIVER OF THE WATERS OF LIFE is shown ON EARTH per that. And also the TREE OF LIFE IS SHOWN MANIFESTING THEM ON EITHER SIDE OF THAT RIVER, WHICH WILL BE LOCATED ON EARTH, IN THE HOLY LAND!

Why do you follow LIARS who SPEAK CONTRARY TO GOD'S WRITTEN WORD?

rwb · Wednesday at 12:47 PM

Davy said:
That of course is a doctrine of MEN, and not God's Word.

God's written Word DOES tell us Christ will reign for a SPECIFIC PERIOD over the wicked starting on the day of His future return. It is stupid to assume that's all His future reign will be, as that 1,000 years is about a time the wicked will still be allowed to exist! After the wicked are cast into the future "lake of fire" at the "second death", Christ's reign then continues... FOREVER!

And Zechariah 14 reveals His feet will touch down UPON THIS EARTH ON THE MOUNT OF OLIVES, BRINGING ALL HIS FAITHFUL SAINTS WITH HIM!

The last 9 Chapters of the Book of Ezekiel is about Christ's future reign ON EARTH with His elect priests, with the manifesting of a MILLENNIUM TEMPLE ON EARTH AT JERUSALEM. Even a return of GOD'S RIVER OF THE WATERS OF LIFE is shown ON EARTH per that. And also the TREE OF LIFE IS SHOWN MANIFESTING THEM ON EITHER SIDE OF THAT RIVER, WHICH WILL BE LOCATED ON EARTH, IN THE HOLY LAND!

Why do you follow LIARS who SPEAK CONTRARY TO GOD'S WRITTEN WORD?

It's a major waste of time to reply to opinions without any verification from the Bible. Since you mention Zech 14, this prophecy is fulfilled with the first coming of Christ to earth a man.

Why are you promoting lies without giving a single proof text for how I have lied? This is a Bible discussion forum, not an opinion/assumption forum, when you can provide Scripture, perhaps I might feel obliged to reply. Otherwise, you are welcome to cling to your imaginative opinions it matters not to me!

William Barton · Wednesday at 3:57 PM

RWB noted:
<Christ is ruling from holy Jerusalem now>

That would be Jerusalem in heaven.

Davidpt · Wednesday at 5:59 PM

Davy said:
Since Christ's Revelation is passed over in the above, the brethren should expect next men's false theory of Amillennialism to be thrown in. Why?

Because Amillennialists don't like what the Revelation 20 Chapter reveals about Christ's future literal "thousand years" reign over the wicked and unsaved. That is why they favor these Gospel Scripture descriptions of the wicked perishing on the day of Christ's future coming. It's because Lord Jesus did not include the event of His future "thousand years" reign in them, although that future reign with His elect priests and kings is mentioned in both The Old Testament and in Revelation.

The following event has NEVER... happened before, even to this day:

Rev 3:9
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
KJV

That "synagogue of Satan" represents Christ's worse enemies here on earth. They have never bowed the knee to Christ at the feet of His elect Church to this day. That can ONLY happen AFTER Christ's future return.

I tend to think it's echoed in Isaiah 60. Maybe you agree, maybe you don't. But I do 100% agree with you that that verse has not been fulfilled yet.

Isaiah 60:14 The sons also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee; and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet; and they shall call thee, The city of the LORD, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel.

William Barton · Wednesday at 6:13 PM

rwb said:
<I could not find any verse in Scripture to prove the sun corrupts the sinner as you imagine.>

Sin corrupts the sinner, sun gives the sinner sunburn.

Davy · Thursday at 6:02 AM

Davidpt said:
I tend to think it's echoed in Isaiah 60. Maybe you agree, maybe you don't. But I do 100% agree with you that that verse has not been fulfilled yet.

Isaiah 60:14 The sons also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee; and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet; and they shall call thee, The city of the LORD, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel.

Yes, that in Isaiah 60:14 is linked to Revelation 3:9 where Lord Jesus said He will make those who lie and claim to be Jews, but are not, but are the "synagogue of Satan", that He will make them come worship at the feet of His elect of the Church of Philadelphia.

It is also linked to Romans 14:11.

Thus there are quite a few direct pointers, both in the Old and New Testament Books about Christ's future reign over the wicked when He returns. Isaiah 24 even reveals the kings of the earth who followed Satan will be locked in the pit, and visited after many days (i.e., the 1,000 years reign of Rev.20).

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