The Coming FALSE MESSIAH

David in NJ said:

And that, my brother, is why we are approaching the Great Tribulation.

"And the people spoke as one for they had one language to build a Tower to Heaven"

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and have ya guessed yet what that one language is
that is gathering them all , from all false religoins to even the decieved in christendom .
A HINT .
ITS THE LOVE language . ONLY Its love IS OF THE WORLD , NOT OF GOD .
A universal love to recreate a universal all religoins accepting version of what they all see as GOD and as love .
SOMEONE KNOWS , and when i say KNOWS , i mean KNOWS HOW TO DECIEVE .
BUT dont hang your head , for a second , like t here is no hope .
THERE IS . but its not in men . OH NO sir . NOT IN MAN . not even in men dressed in wool .
ITS IN JESUS .
And far far far GREATER IS HE than is this deciever that is in the world and that does have them beleiving a lie .
YOU SEE THIS JESUS , aint just the top prophet of all prophets of GOD .
NO he is greater than even that .
HE is not just the greatest teacher of all .
AND HE IS Not just a mere man .
YOU SEE THIS JESUS IS THE WORD OF GOD . AND i promise us all that GOD IS HIS WORD and The word was with GOD
even in the beginning. And that by THIS WORD were all things created , CREATED .
And the WORD was GOD . and that a fact JACK .
AND GOD cannot DENY HIMSELF . SO HE WILL NOT DENY THE SON . and all who do so WILL SCREAM in terror
on HIS day . you see , not some , not even half , not even most ,
BUT GOD HAS GIVEN ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL JUDGMENT unto the SON
and it is by HIS WORDS that all shall be judged . THAT AGAIN is a fact david .
One which i think YOU have no problem agreeing with at all . And now a word
to point us to the reminder that needs to get said yet again .
GOD dont contradict , THE WORD HIS SON dont contradict , THE SPIRIT dont contradict
TRUTH . THEY ARE THE TRUTH and THE TRUTH THEY SURELY ARE . GOD dont contradict his own words .

David in NJ said:

And that, my brother, is why we are approaching the Great Tribulation.

"And the people spoke as one for they had one language to build a Tower to Heaven"

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Oh david , they say , you silly rabbit we wont be here to see those days .
BUT it aint what JESUS said and it aint what paul and any other apostel said either .
TRUTH .
IN THIS WORLD YE SHALL have tribulation .
TRUTH
For not only is it given on our behalf to BELIEVE ON JESUS but also to suffer for his sake .
TRUTH
For it is the righteous judgment of GOD that ye be counted worthy for the Kingdom .
TRUTH
Many will betray many and they will deliver you up
and even those who do persecute and kill you will believe they do the will of GOD .
BUT HE who ENDURES TO THE END , TO THE END , the same shall be saved .
JESUS didnt prepare his own
nor did the apostels prepare their own
TO ESCAPE TRIBULATION , but r ather to face it and be faithful to the end no matter how harsh it gets .
DO YOU SEE pre trib DOING THIS .
OR do ya see them doing something else , just as they have done in years and times past
that DID NOT prepare the church to face persecutoins but rather fed them the idea
NO WORRIES YOU NEVER WILL , YOU NOT appointed unto tribulation .
Remember when i said a lie can only decieve and never save . IT CANT .
Nor can the father of lies who simply now only prepares this world
its false religoins and oh yeah many even in christendom unto its own destruction .
THEY already even hugging on anti christ and its peace plan and its false gospel
as though it all be of GOD . In fact i just bet
they will never even see or know WHEN marky mark is offered up to them .
NO SIR , they gonna see and think ITS ONLY necessary for the peace of what they THINK was of GOD
and will only tell themselves , OH its not such , cause we would not have been here if it were such .
SOMEONE lies david . and we both KNOW GOD DONT .

Douggg said:

Jesus was not cut off in the midst of the 70th week. The text does not say that in Daniel 9:27.

The prince that shall come will confirm the covenant for one week (7 years). That person will be the Antichrist.

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You also said that there will not be another temple built. Which you are wrong. The great tribulation will begin when the daily sacrifice is stopped and the abomination of desolation is set up. The daily sacrifice is a ritual event preformed by the Jewish priests when a temple is present.

Daniel 12:
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

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What temple, and when? It's not going to be rebuilt ever again in Jerusalem, or anywhere else?
In Daniel 9: 27, God as declared that it's destruction in 70 AD. will remain so "even until the consummation", aka the very end of time.

Earburner said:

What temple, and when? It's not going to be rebuilt ever again in Jerusalem, or anywhere else?
In Daniel 9: 27, God as declared that it's destruction in 70 AD. will remain so "even until the consummation", aka the very end of time.

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IF even the temple were to be rebuilt it would only be the all inclusive of anti christ one .
Though i doubt they will rebuild it . Mayhaps they will and mayhaps they wont .
But this much I DO KNOW
the JERUSALEM of the sheep is heavenly and the temple IS GOD and THE LAMB . that is a fact too .
In fact so is this . Earthern jerusalem IS STILL in bondage with her children
and they just like others now do the will of their all inclusive father satan .
ONLY those whose faith be IN JESUS are the true children of GOD ALL MIGHTY and that again I KNOW is a fact .

on those feet my friend the hour is late and we sure do have much work and exploits to do in this last hour .
I could name the person i wrote this too but i have a hunch he already knows .
Sheep STICK together and POINT ONLY TO JESUS and sheep dont sit under a harlot .

Earburner said:

What temple, and when? It's not going to be rebuilt ever again in Jerusalem, or anywhere else?
In Daniel 9: 27, God as declared that it's destruction in 70 AD. will remain so "even until the consummation", aka the very end of time.

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27 And he [the Antichrist] shall confirm the covenant [the Mt. Sinai covenant] with many [a large population of Jews] for one week: and in the midst of the week he [the Antichrist] shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he [the Antichrist] shall make it [the temple] desolate, even until the consummation [of the 70 weeks determined upon Daniel's people and Jerusalem], and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The 70 weeks end on the day of Jesus's return.

The temple will be built by the Jews following the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 38-39.

Douggg said:

27 And he [the Antichrist] shall confirm the covenant [the Mt. Sinai covenant] with many [a large population of Jews] for one week: and in the midst of the week he [the Antichrist] shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he [the Antichrist] shall make it [the temple] desolate, even until the consummation [of the 70 weeks determined upon Daniel's people and Jerusalem], and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The 70 weeks end on the day of Jesus's return.

The temple will be built by the Jews following the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 38-39.

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Not being able to differentiate the 'he' results in a cobbling exercise that has gone off track.

Douggg said:

Jesus was not cut off in the midst of the 70th week. The text does not say that in Daniel 9:27.

The prince that shall come will confirm the covenant for one week (7 years). That person will be the Antichrist.

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You also said that there will not be another temple built. Which you are wrong. The great tribulation will begin when the daily sacrifice is stopped and the abomination of desolation is set up. The daily sacrifice is a ritual event preformed by the Jewish priests when a temple is present.

Daniel 12:
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

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The Primary reasoning of God's purpose for speaking through Daniel, was to speak about the Messiah:
Dan. 9
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah [ref. Jesus] be cut off [ref. midst of the 70th week], but not for himself: [ref. Jesus, for others].

The Secondary reasoning of God's purpose for speaking through Daniel, is that God interjects His thoughts separately about the destruction of the Temple, apart from His Primary reasoning about the timing of Messiah's appearance:
"and the people [ref. Army of Rome] of the prince [ref.Titus] that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. [ref. 70 AD].

God then returns back to His Primary reasoning
for His purpose of speaking through Daniel:
27 And he [ref. Jesus] shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he [ref. Jesus] shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he [ref. Jesus] shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined [in verse 24] shall be poured [out] upon the desolate [those who are unsaved, and void of God]. Aka, the Day of Pentecost.

Q. In verse 24, What were the six works of God, that were determined by God, to be completed by God? [Clue: John 17:4- I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

Earburner said:

25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah [ref. Jesus] be cut off [ref. midst of the 70th week], but not for himself: [ref. Jesus, for others].

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Verse 26 does not say after threescore and two and a half weeks.

Verse 26 says after threescore and two weeks.

There is still the 70th week left.

Douggg said:

Verse 26 does not say after threescore and two and a half weeks.

Verse 26 says after threescore and two weeks.

There is still the 70th week left.

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It says Jesus would be cut off AFTER the 62 weeks, which occur after the first 7 weeks. So, that means the timing of His death falls some time after the 69th week ended and within the 70th week. Your false view doesn't even have Christ's death falling within any of the 70 weeks despite it being crucial to fulfilling all of the things listed in Daniel 9:24. That can't be taken seriously. You are attributing a verse that speaks of Jesus confirming the new covenant into a verse about some imaginary future Antichrist confirming some other covenant instead. It doesn't get much worse than turning a verse about Jesus Christ into a verse about an imaginary Antichrist instead.

Douggg said:

Verse 26 does not say after threescore and two and a half weeks.

Verse 26 says after threescore and two weeks.

There is still the 70th week left.

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I guess my previous post #107 went through to the keeper.
It is the mindset of not getting it or having the wherewithal to enquire..... even when it is spoon-fed that keeps ignorance afloat.

quietthinker said:

I guess my previous post #107 went through to the keeper.
It is the mindset of not getting it or having the wherewithal to enquire..... even when it is spoon-fed that keeps ignorance afloat.

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I don't understand what you are saying.

Douggg said:

Verse 26 does not say after threescore and two and a half weeks.

Verse 26 says after threescore and two weeks.

There is still the 70th week left.

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In Daniel 9:24-27, the human mind is automatically drawn to the false mathematics of counting weeks, all of which amounts to nothing but head banging and arguing. However, if one listens to the Holy Spirit within themselves, they will be SHOWN the 70th week, without adding, subtracting or separating any of the weeks.

All one has to do is find in Daniel 9:27 that "one week" of seven days, and know that in one of the weeks, it will be THAT week in which "Messiah shall be cut off, but not for himself".
7 days (7 x 360 days per year= 2520 days, and then realize that in the "midst" of a prophetic week, that equals to be 1260 days, which is the joint ministry of John the Baptist (6 mos.) and Jesus (3.0 yrs.), all totalling to 3.5 years, aka 1260 days.
Zech. 4:14; Rev. 11:3-4, Rev. 12:6.

The intention of God the Father, to even speak about the coming of His Son to die for our sins, was NOT to INFORM the whole world, but rather to keep His Son's coming a SECRET, a Mystery, but also to allow only the faithful saints of OC Israel to be alert to Jesus first appearance.
In so doing, they were waiting for "the Promise that was to come", whereby those who remained faithful in life and unto death, were written in God's "book of Remembrance". Malachi 3:16-18. An example of such OC faithful saints "waiting" were Nathaniel and Simeon.

Quite literally, Jesus came to this earth to be murdered, to be put to mortal death on the cross, so that God could save as many people as He can, who believe in Jesus, and that He shed His Holy blood for the forgiveness of their/our sins.

If Jesus simply was allowed to live out His fleshly life, and then die a normal death by just passing away, without the shedding of His blood, all of humanity would have been entirely LOST for all Eternity. Absolutely NO ONE would be saved from eternal death at all.
1 Cor. 2:6-8
Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

So then, in God's prophetic words, such as in Daniel, one can KNOW the truth of the prophecies of God, if they are taught to them by His Holy Spirit, aka the mind of Christ, and not by the human wisdom, through the doctrines of men.

Douggg said:

I don't understand what you are saying.

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Hmmmm.....read it slowly following my communications back a few posts.

The references to 'he' in Dan. 9:27 are two different 'He's'. The first two he's refer to Jesus, the third 'he' is to antichrist
Daniel 9:27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.

The 'He' who confirms the covenant is Jesus, ie the covenant made with the Patriarchs.
From the beginning of Jesus' ministry, ie his baptism to the stoning of Stephan is 7 years (this time period is where the Gospel went exclusively to the Jews) In the middle of that 7 year period (1 week) Jesus was crucified (cut off). Thereon afterward the sacrifices (symbol) offered at the Jewish temple had no import because the symbol was met with the reality (the crucifixion) hence the curtain dividing the Holy from the Most Holy was torn from top to bottom

The 'he' that sets up 'an abomination that causes desolation' is an antichrist.

These two actors are also confirmed in vs 26
Daniel 9:26 After the sixty-two ‘sevens,’ the Anointed One will be put to death and will have nothing. The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed.

The diagram I posted in #85 lays it out.

amigo de christo said:

IF even the temple were to be rebuilt it would only be the all inclusive of anti christ one .
Though i doubt they will rebuild it . Mayhaps they will and mayhaps they wont .
But this much I DO KNOW
the JERUSALEM of the sheep is heavenly and the temple IS GOD and THE LAMB . that is a fact too .
In fact so is this . Earthern jerusalem IS STILL in bondage with her children
and they just like others now do the will of their all inclusive father satan .
ONLY those whose faith be IN JESUS are the true children of GOD ALL MIGHTY and that again I KNOW is a fact .

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@amigo de christo

quietthinker said:

Hmmmm.....read it slowly following my communications back a few posts.

The references to 'he' in Dan. 9:27 are two different 'He's'. The first two he's refer to Jesus, the third 'he' is to antichrist
Daniel 9:27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.

The 'He' who confirms the covenant is Jesus, ie the covenant made with the Patriarchs.
From the beginning of Jesus' ministry, ie his baptism to the stoning of Stephan is 7 years (this time period is where the Gospel went exclusively to the Jews) In the middle of that 7 year period (1 week) Jesus was crucified (cut off). Thereon afterward the sacrifices (symbol) offered at the Jewish temple had no import because the symbol was met with the reality (the crucifixion) hence the curtain dividing the Holy from the Most Holy was torn from top to bottom

The 'he' that sets up 'an abomination that causes desolation' is an antichrist.

These two actors are also confirmed in vs 26
Daniel 9:26 After the sixty-two ‘sevens,’ the Anointed One will be put to death and will have nothing. The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed.

The diagram I posted in #85 lays it out.

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You are reflecting the Seventh Day Adventist view. As does the diagram you posted in your post #85.

SDA misses the understanding that the 7 year 70th week corresponds to the 7 years that follow the Ezekiel 39 Gog/Magog event.

The 70 weeks of Daniel 9 are determined upon Daniel's people (Israel) and the holy city (Jerusalem). In Daniel 9:20, Daniel identifies his people as Israel.

Daniel 9:20 And whiles I was speaking, and praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the LORD my God for the holy mountain of my God;

The Jews of Judaism are expecting their long awaited King of Israel messiah. That person will turn out to be the Antichrist.

The Seventh Day Adventist view that the pope/papacy is the Antichrist is incorrect.

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Does Seventh Day Adventist have a timeline chart/diagram of Ezekiel 39 ? The seven years of Ezekiel 39:9 correspond to the seven year 70th week of Daniel 9:27.

Douggg said:

You are reflecting the Seventh Day Adventist view. As does the diagram you posted in your post #85.

SDA misses the understanding that the 7 year 70th week corresponds to the 7 years that follow the Ezekiel 39 Gog/Magog event.

The 70 weeks of Daniel 9 are determined upon Daniel's people (Israel) and the holy city (Jerusalem). In Daniel 9:20, Daniel identifies his people as Israel.

Daniel 9:20 And whiles I was speaking, and praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the LORD my God for the holy mountain of my God;

The Jews of Judaism are expecting their long awaited King of Israel messiah. That person will turn out to be the Antichrist.

The Seventh Day Adventist view that the pope/papacy is the Antichrist is incorrect.

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Does Seventh Day Adventist have a timeline chart/diagram of Ezekiel 39 ? The seven years of Ezekiel 39:9 correspond to the seven year 70th week of Daniel 9:27.

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It's a 70yr continuous prophecy. Extracting or breaking off the last week to fit into some other preconception reflects poor exegesis which I for one can not take seriously.

amigo de christo said:

Oh david , they say , you silly rabbit we wont be here to see those days .
BUT it aint what JESUS said and it aint what paul and any other apostel said either .
TRUTH .
IN THIS WORLD YE SHALL have tribulation .
TRUTH
For not only is it given on our behalf to BELIEVE ON JESUS but also to suffer for his sake .
TRUTH
For it is the righteous judgment of GOD that ye be counted worthy for the Kingdom .
TRUTH
Many will betray many and they will deliver you up
and even those who do persecute and kill you will believe they do the will of GOD .
BUT HE who ENDURES TO THE END , TO THE END , the same shall be saved .
JESUS didnt prepare his own
nor did the apostels prepare their own
TO ESCAPE TRIBULATION , but r ather to face it and be faithful to the end no matter how harsh it gets .
DO YOU SEE pre trib DOING THIS .
OR do ya see them doing something else , just as they have done in years and times past
that DID NOT prepare the church to face persecutoins but rather fed them the idea
NO WORRIES YOU NEVER WILL , YOU NOT appointed unto tribulation .
Remember when i said a lie can only decieve and never save . IT CANT .
Nor can the father of lies who simply now only prepares this world
its false religoins and oh yeah many even in christendom unto its own destruction .
THEY already even hugging on anti christ and its peace plan and its false gospel
as though it all be of GOD . In fact i just bet
they will never even see or know WHEN marky mark is offered up to them .
NO SIR , they gonna see and think ITS ONLY necessary for the peace of what they THINK was of GOD
and will only tell themselves , OH its not such , cause we would not have been here if it were such .
SOMEONE lies david . and we both KNOW GOD DONT .

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@amigo de christo

amigo de christo said:

and have ya guessed yet what that one language is
that is gathering them all , from all false religoins to even the decieved in christendom .
A HINT .
ITS THE LOVE language . ONLY Its love IS OF THE WORLD , NOT OF GOD .
A universal love to recreate a universal all religoins accepting version of what they all see as GOD and as love .
SOMEONE KNOWS , and when i say KNOWS , i mean KNOWS HOW TO DECIEVE .
BUT dont hang your head , for a second , like t here is no hope .
THERE IS . but its not in men . OH NO sir . NOT IN MAN . not even in men dressed in wool .
ITS IN JESUS .
And far far far GREATER IS HE than is this deciever that is in the world and that does have them beleiving a lie .
YOU SEE THIS JESUS , aint just the top prophet of all prophets of GOD .
NO he is greater than even that .
HE is not just the greatest teacher of all .
AND HE IS Not just a mere man .
YOU SEE THIS JESUS IS THE WORD OF GOD . AND i promise us all that GOD IS HIS WORD and The word was with GOD
even in the beginning. And that by THIS WORD were all things created , CREATED .
And the WORD was GOD . and that a fact JACK .
AND GOD cannot DENY HIMSELF . SO HE WILL NOT DENY THE SON . and all who do so WILL SCREAM in terror
on HIS day . you see , not some , not even half , not even most ,
BUT GOD HAS GIVEN ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL JUDGMENT unto the SON
and it is by HIS WORDS that all shall be judged . THAT AGAIN is a fact david .
One which i think YOU have no problem agreeing with at all . And now a word
to point us to the reminder that needs to get said yet again .
GOD dont contradict , THE WORD HIS SON dont contradict , THE SPIRIT dont contradict
TRUTH . THEY ARE THE TRUTH and THE TRUTH THEY SURELY ARE . GOD dont contradict his own words .

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@amigo de christo

amigo de christo said:

Is there anything done on earth even in the darkness
that GOD cannot see .
Then know and understand every idle word even spoken in secrete
WILL BE REVEALED on JESUS DAY .
Not only does GOD KNOW what is going on within even the hearts of all men
FRIEND HE HAS LONG KNOWN and there is nothing hidden f rom Him .
And all who made their bed with a harlot will have no excuse on JESUS DAY .
For when HE called , when he sent his own into such places
and had warned them all to get out of such places and to return to the HOLY BOOK
for to learn for themselves , THEY CHOSE and willfully remained ignorant and cast out HIS words
and those who brought them in favor of a harlots lie .
David , hard as it is for this inclusive generation to realize , OH there will be much WAILING
on JESUS day heard from them all , And it will be TOO LATE for them all .
YOU cant REJECT JESUS and expect a GOOD ENDING and a pat on the back and a job well done .
What you can expect is , DEPART FROM ME you workers of inquity , I NEVER KNEW YOU .
As while the violin of that song sounds so hateful , so grave and so wrong to this inclusive generation
That song was TRUE friend . One simply cannot DENY JESUS without having THUS DENIED GOD
and one cannot DENY HIS WORDS without having DENIED HIM .
IF TRUTH IS DENIED , THEN THE AUTHOR OF IT HAS BEEN , AND I DO MEAN HAS BEEN DENIED . just a simple fact .
AND if anyone here amongst us thinks i am dead wrong for writing this
THEN BY ALL MEANS bring many scriptures to try and explain . Only as i beleive you already know ,
THE SCRIPS gonna say the same .

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@amigo de christo