Does one need to study the bible?

StanJ said:

So are you answering yes or no to the question of the op?

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the answer is yes people should read and study the book they put faith in but what I was saying is around 80% do not, my faith in humanity severely drops at such a point

Samael said:

the answer is yes people should read and study the book they put faith in but what I was saying is around 80% do not, my faith in humanity severely drops at such a point

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Good, and 80% sounds high to me but regardless, we do what we know to do as obedient to the Holy Spirit.

James 4:13-17 (NIV)

I miss these days.... LOL This was a fun thread!!

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Ignorance of Christ is ignorance of teh truth, many know the bible few know Jesus, if they knew Him they would be running from religion.

most people still think the Book is the Word, so one has to get that sorted out to even start making sense imo

bbyrd009 said:

most people still think the Book is the Word, so one has to get that sorted out to even start making sense imo

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The book is the word of God and what would make you think otherwise?

mjrhealth said:

Ignorance of Christ is ignorance of teh truth, many know the bible few know Jesus, if they knew Him they would be running from religion.

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and I can't run fast enough.

StanJ said:

The book is the word of God and what would make you think otherwise?

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um. Because i know, for a fact, that It is not, StanJ, even though we have been assured that It is. It is not. The Bible is God~Breathed, iow It came from Word, but It is not Pneuma, Dabhar, Word. Or else

In the Beginning was the Bible, and the Bible was with God, and the Bible was God

must be true. But your next best shot, your chief Witness, perhaps, will be in Deut 30, like vv8-12 or 14, which you want to be in parallel there, because they don't all say "Word," and then pay attention to when "commandments" gets turned into "commandment." And even then, the vv are worded in such a way as to appear connected, when separate statements are being made, and you are led to draw a conclusion, that being "the Bible was God," essentially, when you take all that "you don't have to go anywhere to get It, It's right here" stuff to mean "right here, in your hand" and not "right here, in your ear."

This is a huge step for many Christians, but is essential for finding Word, ok. You cannot step out into the air, and meet Him in the air, as long as you are convinced that Book is Word.

mjrhealth said:

Ignorance of Christ is ignorance of teh truth, many know the bible few know Jesus, if they knew Him they would be running from religion.

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What do you have against religion?

From Merriam Websters:



Definition of religion

1. 
   1a : the state of a religious <a nun in her 20th year of religion>b (1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
   
2. 
   2: a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
   
3. 
   3archaic : scrupulous conformity : conscientiousness
   
4. 
   4: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith
   

I think the initial debate was (without going over 5 pages of threads) about following Christ without the bible. There were users whom indicated that if you are guided by the holy spirit, you didnt need the bible... or church/fellowship for that matter.

Nah, just throw it out... Its just a bunch of gibberish... It often contradicts what I think... And who needs a book that interferes with that?

Of course we need to study.. Its God's Word to us, and a lot of people went through hell to write and preserve it for us.

It is, most definitely, not God's Word, which is Pneuma, Breath, Dabhar. Rhema is not Pneuma, no matter how much you have been indoctrinated to believe otherwise, and you cannot Witness the pov from Scripture, even though it seems initially that you can. If the Book is the Word, then you have to admit the following verse is accurate and true, which i don't even know why i bother because of course, no one wants to face it anyway

In the beginning was the Bible, and the Bible was with God, and the Bible was God.

this does not diminish the importance of the Book, but rather allows you to now go and find Word, whenever you are ready, and trust that until you understand that the Book is not the Word, you have not found Word yet.

And the only way i know to verify this is with the Book, lol.

bbyrd009 said:

It is, most definitely, not God's Word,,,,,,,,until you understand that the Book is not the Word, you have not found Word yet.

And the only way i know to verify this is with the Book, lol.

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"The Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us" (John 1:14).. If the Word was manifested in the flesh, and the bible accurately records it, then the bible is God's recorded word
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Imagine if there were no bible.. Who was Jesus? What did he do? What was his message, purpose, etc? Without the bible, we wouldn't know any of that.

Dan57 said:

"The Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us" (John 1:14).. If the Word was manifested in the flesh, and the bible accurately records it, then the bible is God's recorded word
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Imagine if there were no bible.. Who was Jesus? What did he do? What was his message, purpose, etc? Without the bible, we wouldn't know any of that.

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But see, Dan, you did not bring the verse i corrupted, to show the point, and deal with that, now, did you? And i understand, ok. This is a hard hill to get over. It seems as if the Book is being made light if, or dismissed or something, when that is not the case. I read the Book now more than i ever did. Now, i keep the Lex open now, and i find out what that weird name means, and i find out what the name of that town represents, i read It differently now, but i no longer worship the Book, because the Book is not the Word. Another way to look at it is that even if the Book accurately recorded it then--which It did, of course, being God~Breathed--Word is now, It is the moving finger, that writes, and having writ, moves on.

The Book was God~Breathed, in Hebrew, a long time ago, and is still extremely adequate in Its function, ok, but funny that all you got a Hebrew Lex for is the OT, huh (not denigrating the NT here, either, just recognizing the "divorce" that we can read about, and what that really means). And suddenly you got Greek mythological gods, Hades, that you are now scared of, NT, which is why you prolly initially sought Christ.

Which, even common sense will tell you that the Book is subject to scribes, and King James putting Easter in It, etc, if you don't want to...if the verses plainly talking about that are currently...well, just spiritually unavailable to you, like Word is, i just don't know a better way to put that, sorry. If you believe that the Book is the Word, then you should be able to Witness that from the Book, and you would have already if you could have, but you cannot.

You can get close, and you can make the bridge with your mind, if you read it right, like really fast with one eye closed, and you can believe what you are led to believe here, ok, but Word is still going to be Pneuma, Breath, Dabhar, Gospel, and Christ's Head when you are done.

And none of your previous understanding will be wasted, not at all, when you meet Him in the Air, even if that favorite verse you memorized comes to take on a different meaning, ok. Because when Love believes all things, you stop assigning specific meanings to specific passages, and let Word bring you a Hearing IRL, manifesting in more faith, which process you are surely already familiar with.

So, Merry Christmas. Go find Word. And, when the implications of the cost come up, count the cost. I won't lie to you, i am inviting you to step off of a cliff, ok. Even if you do not jump today, i would counsel not closing your mind to this. Just because you currently have worldly cares, responsibilities, perhaps, that i did not have, you can still be walking out of those a little at a time and at least peeking over the cliff ok, there is no big hurry here. Don't find love until you are ready.

But at the same time, see that what you read about the Book, that it separates joints from marrow, and we even got a story about a little wrestling match, where Israel? was it? It almost has to be Israel, to work right...ha, yup, when Jacob (what does "Jacob" mean?) was renamed Israel, then ("why do you ask my name?" lol; priceless), a little illustration of the process that i am asking you to go through, and then you won't be able to go to Gen 32 without getting goose bumps either, and you won't be frustrated at that question anymore--like you are now--and "separates joints from marrow" will be revealed as God's Honest Truth, all right, because that is just what the Book does, to everyone, atheists included.

As soon as you state--with your breath--an interpretation of the Book, you are filleted, separated joints from marrow, for any to see.
And whether one realizes it or not, every time they open their mouths, they are making a comment on the Book, they are giving an interpretation of It, no exceptions, i don't care if the breath of someone says "i need to use the restroom," believe it or not there is a Bible lesson to be heard in reflecting upon the specifics of why that person said that thing in that place.

Which, since that might sound completely bonkers, see that that person could have meant any number of things with that statement, and may not even fully realize why they said it (why you telling me?), or they may have been being considerate, cuz they were taking a shower, maybe (ah, ty, let me run in first and tinkle) whatever. Seems silly, perhaps; but then, we are almost completely unconscious, too.

"Word of God" is found about 200 times in the Bible, and none of them mean the written word alone.

NIV, BibleGateway search

Where did Jesus give instructions that the Christian faith should be based exclusively on a book?

How did the early Church evangelize and overthrow the Roman Empire, survive and prosper almost 350 years, without knowing for sure which books belong in the canon of Scripture?

If the Bible is as clear as Martin Luther claimed, why was he the first one to interpret it the way he did?


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kepha31 said:

Where did Jesus give instructions that the Christian faith should be based exclusively on a book?

How did the early Church evangelize and overthrow the Roman Empire, survive and prosper almost 350 years, without knowing for sure which books belong in the canon of Scripture?

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have you read the ancient scrolls..https://www.amazon.com/Ancient-Book-Gad-Seer-Johnson/dp/153916487X/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

bbyrd009 said:

It is, most definitely, not God's Word, which is Pneuma, Breath, Dabhar. Rhema is not Pneuma, no matter how much you have been indoctrinated to believe otherwise, and you cannot Witness the pov from Scripture, even though it seems initially that you can. If the Book is the Word, then you have to admit the following verse is accurate and true, which i don't even know why i bother because of course, no one wants to face it anyway

In the beginning was the Bible, and the Bible was with God, and the Bible was God.

this does not diminish the importance of the Book, but rather allows you to now go and find Word, whenever you are ready, and trust that until you understand that the Book is not the Word, you have not found Word yet.

And the only way i know to verify this is with the Book, lol.

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You can't just pull Greek words out of thin air and say what they are or aren't as far as the Bible is concerned. John 1:1&14, says that the Word (logos), WAS God and became flesh. The spoken and written word are of and from God. Word is also found in the Greek word polylogia, which connotes words or language. All scripture is indeed the word of God and as Paul wrote 2 Timothy 3:16; All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
David wrote in Psalm 119:11; I have hidden your word in my heart that I might not sin against you.

StanJ said:

You can't just pull Greek words out of thin air and say what they are or aren't as far as the Bible is concerned. John 1:1&14, says that the Word (logos), WAS God and became flesh. The spoken and written word are of and from God. Word is also found in the Greek word polylogia, which connotes words or language. All scripture is indeed the word of God and as Paul wrote 2 Timothy 3:16; All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
David wrote in Psalm 119:11; I have hidden your word in my heart that I might not sin against you.

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"pull Greek words out of thin air," lol, kind of poetic here imo. The written word is words, and not Word, God, Breath, Pneuma, is the argument. "Word" is therefore not contained in "polylogia," or else you just have "many Gods." The Word is God, and became flesh...just going through your reply here...Ah, "All Scripture is indeed the Word of God." In this case, "Easter" becomes the Word of God, see, and you already know this is a lie, that is just some words that KJ put in, and which demonstrates why the Bible is not Word, if "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Bible was God" is not proof enough. All Scripture is God~Breathed, when It was Breathed, but you have a translator in between you and the Word there, meaning that by definition there is no breath on your neck, ergo there is no Word, regardless of the fact that 2Tim3 et al are still true, i am not disputing any of those, ok.

And as i said, i understand this is a big step, for people who have been indoctrinated into The Bible is God, but if you are able to keep an open mind, and at least entertain the thought that Word might be so much more than that, a direct connection, removing the translator, David's statement might be better interpreted (as the Book even directs here, imo) "11; I have hidden your speech utterance in my heart..." wherein it might be tempting, but it is twisting "amar" to death to suggest "written word" there, when David could easily have used "Book" or "Law," in Psalm 119, if he meant Torah, but he did not, for a good reason.

And you can try, but any other attempts to Witness Book or Law as Word will also not stand up to any scrutiny imo. Do your best. Deut 30 seems to be the best shot at that. But i tell you honestly, making Bible into God is obscuring the Word for you, and preventing you from seeking--and thus finding--Word. And this is done on purpose, imo; so that people may see and not see. Which of course we interpret these people as "bad" or "blind," "not us, but them," of course, when this is just a description of the Veil, that everyone has, we see as through a mirror, darkly.

So wadr our chief inhibitor to recognizing Word as Breath, Spoken, Pneuma, is people "who say they know, (but) do not yet know as they ought," or the blind leading the blind, iow, that both may fall into a ditch. And i tell you that a chief symptom of these will be that they "know," and not that they have an interpretation. You might also note the connection to "Meeting Him in the Air" here, which has miraculously been changed into "Meeting Him in the Bible" now, a very real "spiritual" phenomenon for many.

But really, you are done when you cannot address "In the beginning was the Bible, and the Bible was with God, and the Bible was God," doesn't it seem?

bbyrd009 said:

But really, you are done when you cannot address "In the beginning was the Bible, and the Bible was with God, and the Bible was God," doesn't it seem?

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How do you know "In the beginning was the Word"? Of course the bible wasn't in the beginning, but it records what was.

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God" (2 Timothy 3:16). If you discount the bible as not being God-breathed, what are you left with? It was all recorded for our sake and its writers were inspired by the Holy Spirit. Without the bible, we are left with our imaginations.