The Nature of Christ's Resurrection

Webers_Home · Mar 26, 2018

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There lacks a universal consensus regarding the nature of Jesus Christ's
resurrection.

Some believe that his crucified body was restored to its former life.

Others believe that his crucified body was exchanged for a glorified body.

Still others believe that Christ's crucified body is still dead, and its remains
squirreled away somewhere on earth in a condition and a location known
only to God.

It's also believed by some that Christ didn't come back as a human being;
rather, as a spirit being disguised in a fully functioning human avatar; scars
and all.

This is an issue well worth taking the time and effort to resolve on a world
wide forum because according to Rom 4:25, it's by means of Christ's
resurrection that God is at liberty to grant guilty people a full and complete
acquittal; i.e. exoneration; which is far and away superior to a pardon. For
example:

Former US President Gerald Ford pardoned former US President Richard
Nixon back in 1974 relative to the Watergate scandal. Ford's pardon in no
way exonerated Nixon, it only let him off the hook. Though the pardon
protected Nixon from prosecution; his crimes didn't go away. In other
words: Mr. Nixon will always and forever be on the books of world history
as a crook.

Exoneration-- defined as an adjudication of innocence, which is normally
granted when there is insufficient evidence to convict --is much to be
preferred over a pardon because exoneration leaves nothing on the books; it
wipes people's records so clean and efficiently that there is nothing left that
can in any way be used to prove they've ever been anything less than 100%
innocent. As a result, there will be nothing on the books down at the end
with which to justify condemning them to the lake of brimstone depicted at
Rev 20:10-15.

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Webers_Home · Mar 27, 2018

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Were you to ask John Q and/or Jane Doe Watchtower Society missionary if
they believe that Jesus Christ rose from the dead, I can assure you they
would answer in the affirmative. However, what you may not know is that
you and they would not be speaking the same language as the conversation
would be talking about two very different processes that go by the same
name. In other words: you would find yourself thrown off by semantic
double speak.

In Watchtower Society theology, an angel named Michael volunteered to
come to the earth to die for humanity's sins. But in order to do so; he had to
relinquish his angel existence to become a human existence seeing as how
in Society theology it is impossible for someone to exist as a spirit being and
a human being simultaneously. However, when Michael expired, he didn't go
completely out of existence. Instead, his "life force" remained intact and was
transferred to a human form.

"the transferal of the life of his firstborn Son from the spirit realm to earth.
Only in this way could the child eventually born have retained identity as the
same person who had resided in heaven as the Word." (Aid to Bible
Understanding, 1971, p.920)

"He had to become a perfect man and yet not lose his continuity of life. His
life-force was not to be extinguished but would be transferred to the ovum
of the virgin girl, Mary." (Watchtower magazine, 2-15-82, p.7)

But Michael's existence as a human being was only temporary. When his
human form passed away on the cross, the Society claims that God
transferred Michael's life force back into his angel form thus resurrecting
him to his former spirit existence; leaving the corpse of his human existence
in a permanent state of decease.

In other words: in Watchtower thinking, the resurrection that classical
Christianity celebrates at Easter should be celebrating the resurrection of an
angel instead of the resurrection of a human.

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Webers_Home · Mar 28, 2018

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The preponderance of evidence indicates that Christ's crucified dead body
returned to life on the third day rather than after the third day was
completely over and done with. In other words: Christ wasn't deceased for
three whole days; i.e. he was deceased two whole days plus a partial day.

● Matt 17:22-23 . . Jesus said unto them: The Son of man shall be betrayed
into the hands of men: and they shall kill him, and the third day he shall be
raised again.

● Mark 9:31 . . He taught his disciples, and said unto them: The Son of man
is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he
is killed, he shall rise the third day.

● Luke 9:22 . .The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by
the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and he must be killed and
on the third day be raised to life.

● Luke 24:21-23 . .We trusted that it had been he which should have
redeemed Israel: and beside all this, today is the third day since these
things were done. Yea, and certain women also of our company made us
astonished, which were early at the sepulcher; and when they found not his
body, they came, saying, that they had also seen a vision of angels, which
said that he was alive.

● Luke 24:46 . . He said unto them: Thus it is written, and thus it behooved
Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day

● Acts 10:40 . . God raised him up the third day

● 1Cor 15:4 . . he rose again the third day

It would take a pretty clever amalgam of sophistry and double speak to
make those passages say that Christ rose from the dead on any other day
but the third.

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Dcopymope · Mar 29, 2018

Webers_Home said:
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There lacks a universal consensus regarding the nature of Jesus Christ's
resurrection.

Some believe that his crucified body was restored to its former life.

You should know that this is a load of baloney. If his body was "restored" to what it once was, then so is the curse of death. Death has not been swallowed up in victory if this were true.

Webers_Home said:
Others believe that his crucified body was exchanged for a glorified body.

Still others believe that Christ's crucified body is still dead, and its remains
squirreled away somewhere on earth in a condition and a location known
only to God.

If his crucified body is still dead, then the entire gospel that plainly states otherwise is a lie, making God and your faith in him a joke.

(Philippians 3:20-21) "For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: {21} Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself."

The body you are born with is the body you are stuck with. But by the power of God, the body will be changed, or "further clothed" as Paul stated and made like the body of Jesus, and death will no longer apply to you.

Webers_Home said:
It's also believed by some that Christ didn't come back as a human being;
rather, as a spirit being disguised in a fully functioning human avatar; scars
and all.

This is an issue well worth taking the time and effort to resolve on a world
wide forum because according to Rom 4:25, it's by means of Christ's
resurrection that God is at liberty to grant guilty people a full and complete
acquittal; i.e. exoneration; which is far and away superior to a pardon. For
example:

If he isn't human now, then that makes the gospel a lie as well plainly stating him to be the last Adam, which means that you aren't saved. If he dropped his unity with humanity when he rose from the dead or ascended into heaven, then what does that mean for you? It means that he dropped you as well, forever forsaken on this side of this cursed, vile plain of existence. He was human when he was born, was human when he rose form the dead, and he is now in heaven.

(1 Timothy 2:3-6) "For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; {4} Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. {5} For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; {6} Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time."

Still a man, not something else.

(1 John 4:1-3) "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. {2} Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: {3} And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world."

NASB version:

(1 John 4:1-3) Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God;3and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.

That he has come in the flesh, not came in the flesh. The latter makes this a past tense occurrence meaning that his union with flesh and blood came and went. The former is a present tense statement, meaning his union with flesh and blood remains, except in a "glorified" state. If it were the latter case, if John meant to convey that Jesus Christ magically became a pure "spirit" being, then it would say that he DID come in the flesh, not that he IS come in the flesh. Peoples beliefs of what spirit is supposed to be and how it relates to the flesh is based on nothing but pure conjecture. Its all based on one liners they have taken out of context so they can make it say whatever they want it to say.

Webers_Home · Mar 29, 2018

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● John 2:19-21 . . Jesus answered and said to them: Destroy this temple,
and in three days I will raise it up. The Jews therefore said: It took forty-six
years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days? But He was
speaking of the temple of his body.

Watch as I revise a portion of that passage.

"Jesus answered and said to them: Destroy this temple, and in three days I
will raise up another one to replace it."

The language of John 2:19-21 indicates (to me at least) that when Jesus
exited the tomb, he did so with the self-same body in which he was laid to
rest.

Q: Well if that's the case, then why didn't a number of his closest friends
recognize him?

A: The last time they saw Jesus he was beaten and bloodied beyond
recognition, plus; to their recollection, he was supposed to be dead and
buried.

● Isa 52:14 . .There were many who were appalled at him-- his appearance
was so disfigured beyond that of any man and his form marred beyond
human likeness--

Most everybody has, at one time or another, failed to recognize a familiar
face when it turns up somewhere unexpected. Jesus was certainly no
exception to that bit of human foible. The last person on earth anybody
expected to see alive, in good health, and all cleaned up was him.

NOTE: The Romans abused Jesus quite a bit before he was executed, but the
results were nothing like what's described in Isa 52:14. He got in that
condition not at the hands of the Romans; but by God's own hand during
those three hours of darkness on the cross (Isa 53:5-6, Isa 53:10). Well; if
God would do that to His own son; what do you suppose He has in store for
skeptics and mockers who mean little more to Him than wild pigs and feral
dogs?

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Webers_Home · Mar 30, 2018

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● Luke 23:50-54 . . And, behold, there was a man named Joseph, a
counselor; and he was a good man, and a just (The same had not consented
to the counsel and deed of them) he was of Arimathaea, a city of the Jews:
who also himself waited for the kingdom of God.

. . .This man went unto Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus. And he took it
down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulcher that was hewn in
stone, wherein never man before was laid. And that day was the
preparation, and the sabbath drew on.

For the benefit of those looking in who may not be familiar with the ancient
Jews' religion: the day of preparation is set aside for the Jews to rid their
homes of leaven; plus slaughter and roast lambs with fire ready to eat for
that night's Passover dinner. (Exodus chapter 12)

Passover for 2018 is Saturday, March 31; making preparation day Friday,
March 30. So; if Jesus were to be crucified this year, his first night in the
tomb would be Friday night, his second night would be Saturday night, and
his third night-- as per Matt 12:40 --would be Sunday night.

His first day in the tomb would be Saturday, his second day would be
Sunday, and his third day-- as per Matt 12:40 --would be Monday.

Monday would also be Christ's resurrection day seeing as how the
preponderance of evidence attests that he rose from the dead on the third
day rather than after the third day was over and done with.

Matt 17:22-23
Mark 9:31
Luke 9:22
Luke 24:21-23
Luke 24:46
Acts 10:40
1Cor 15:4

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Webers_Home · Mar 30, 2018

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The chronology of Post #6 isn't based upon the year Jesus actually went to
the cross; it's based upon 2018. Had Jesus been crucified this year, the first
day of the week would be positioned in the chronology quite different than
his year.

For example: Passover for 2017 was Tuesday, April 11. So preparation day
would've been Monday, April 10.

Had Jesus been crucified in 2017; his first night in the tomb would've been
Monday night, his second would've been Tuesday night, and his third
would've been Wednesday night.

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Webers_Home · Apr 3, 2018

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● Luke 24:36-43 . . And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst
of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. But they were terrified
and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.

. . . And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise
in your hearts? Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me,
and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. And when
he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.

. . . And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto
them, Have ye here any meat? And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish,
and of an honeycomb. And he took it, and did eat before them.

The Watchtower Society (a.k.a. Jehovah's Witnesses) claim that the body
Jesus invited his friends to examine was not an actual human body. They
allege that it was a materialized body, i.e. an avatar. In other words: the
human body of the Society's Jesus never recovered; it's still dead.

"If Jesus were to take his body of flesh, blood, and bones to heaven and
enjoy them there, what would this mean? It would mean that there would be
no resurrection of the dead for anybody. Why not? Because Jesus would be
taking his sacrifice off God's altar." (page 237 of the April 15, 1963 issue of
the Watchtower magazine)

In the Society's thinking, there no longer exists a human Jesus; he's
undergone a species change: now he's an angel.

Angels are spirit beings; their bodies are invisible to the human eye. A fully
functioning human avatar was allegedly Jesus' way of showing his friends
that their beloved master, although dead, was still in existence.

Well; if Jesus really and truly had undergone a species change, then why
didn't he tell anybody about it? But not once did he ever let on that the body
his friends were invited to examine wasn't really him.

Well that, in my estimation, would be the grandest fraud ever perpretrated;
even exceeding Bernie Madoff's colossal Ponzi scheme, and that's saying
something!!

Jesus Christ is revered by Christians the world over for his honesty and
integrity. It is just absolutely unthinkable that God's son would ever mislead
people like that, any people, let alone his friends. Bernie Madoff misled his
friends; but Bernie is a degenerate sociopath.

Jesus proclaimed "it is I myself". Well; I for one am satisfied that the body
his friends were invited to examine really was himself rather than a very
clever disguise.

NOTE: Had Christ not returned as the very same species of life that he was when
he departed; his prediction at John 2:19-21 would have been easily proven
false.

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Webers_Home · Apr 6, 2018

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Jesus Christ is currently equipped with a supernatural body, a.k.a. a glorified
body.

● Phil 3:20-21 . . For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we
look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: who shall change our vile body,
that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body

There's some things said about his glorious body.

1• It's human. (1Tim 2:5, Heb 2:5-9)

2• It's immortal. (Rom 6:9)

3• It's impervious to disease and the aging process. (1Cor 15:53)

4• It's capable of dining upon ordinary foods and imbibing ordinary
beverages. (Luke 22:15-16, Matt 26:29)

5• It's visible to the naked eye. (Acts 1:11, Acts 7:56, Rev 1:7)

6• Its composition is different than that of a normal human body. (1Cor
15:50)

Now; the million dollar question is: When did Christ obtain his glorified body:
at the moment of his resurrection, or a later date?

Well; I'm of the opinion that he obtained it a later date. Watch as I
deliberately misquote John 2:19-21.

"Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days
I will replace it. Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in
building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? But he spake of the temple
of his body."

No, he didn't say he'd replace this temple; he said he'd raise it up. Here's
that passage misquoted again.

"Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days
I will improve it. Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in
building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? But he spake of the temple
of his body."

No, he didn't say he'd improve this temple; he said he'd raise it up.

In context, "raise it up" refers to reconstruction. I know that's what it refers
to because that's how the Jews understood Jesus' statement. In other
words; the Jews understood Jesus to mean he'd rebuild the temple piece by
piece, stone by stone, right back to its original condition from it's own
rubble, sort of like putting Humpty Dumpty back together again so's the
finished result wouldn't be another temple nor an improved temple; it would
be the very same temple: the same architecture and the same materials--
absolutely no changes: nothing added, nothing altered, and nothing
substituted.

So then; if Jesus' crucified dead body didn't undergo any modifications at the
time of its return to life, nor for the next forty days; then when? Well; that's
easy peasy lemon squeezy.

The dead bodies of all Christ's believing followers are on track to be returned
to life and then taken up to meet The Lord in the air (1Thes 4:14-17). On
the way up, their resurrected bodies will undergo a sudden, miraculous
transformation (1Cor 15:51-53). I think it's pretty safe to believe that
Christ's body underwent the very same process while on the way up to
heaven as per Acts 1:9 so that today his body is no longer the normal
human body it once was; but instead a supernatural human body to which
all his believing followers' bodies will one day conform.

Q: What about his resurrected body's ability to walk through locked doors
and to appear and disappear? Doesn't that prove he came back from death
with a glorified body?

A: Christ walked on water, restored withered limbs, cured people born blind,
healed serious diseases like leprosy, restored dead bodies to life, controlled
the weather, multiplied fish and bread, dried up a fig tree, and turned water
into wine. In point of fact, he did other things too. (John 20:30)

Well; what's one more miracle, more or less? Walking through walls?
Disappearing and reappearing? How hard could any of that really be for a
man with the powers of God at his disposal?

It's curious how people can say they believe in miracles but yet cannot
believe that God has sufficient control over the laws of nature to make an
ordinary human body pass through solid objects and/or transport it from one
place to another in the blink of an eye.

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Webers_Home · Apr 8, 2018

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John 20:11-16 reports that Mary Magdalene didn't recognize Jesus when he
spoke with her in the cemetery on the day his crucified dead body came
back to life. Why not?

Well; the last time Mary saw Jesus in person, he was beaten and bloodied
beyond recognition (Isa 52:14) and quite dead and laid to rest too. The last
person on earth that Mary expected to encounter was Jesus alive, in good
health, and all cleaned up.

I had a good friend some years ago who died of a heart attack in his forties.
Every now and then I'll see a guy here and there who resembles my friend;
but I know better than to think it's really him because he's dead. Well; I'm
pretty sure that even had Mary seen a strong resemblance to Jesus in the
man speaking to her, she would have instantly dismissed out of mind the
likelihood that it was her deceased Jesus just the same as I quite naturally
dismiss out of mind the likelihood that these other men I see every so often
are my deceased friend.

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BEB1956 · Apr 20, 2018

Webers_Home said:
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Were you to ask John Q and/or Jane Doe Watchtower Society missionary if
they believe that Jesus Christ rose from the dead, I can assure you they
would answer in the affirmative. However, what you may not know is that
you and they would not be speaking the same language as the conversation
would be talking about two very different processes that go by the same
name. In other words: you would find yourself thrown off by semantic
double speak.

In Watchtower Society theology, an angel named Michael volunteered to
come to the earth to die for humanity's sins. But in order to do so; he had to
relinquish his angel existence to become a human existence seeing as how
in Society theology it is impossible for someone to exist as a spirit being and
a human being simultaneously. However, when Michael expired, he didn't go
completely out of existence. Instead, his "life force" remained intact and was
transferred to a human form.

"the transferal of the life of his firstborn Son from the spirit realm to earth.
Only in this way could the child eventually born have retained identity as the
same person who had resided in heaven as the Word." (Aid to Bible
Understanding, 1971, p.920)

"He had to become a perfect man and yet not lose his continuity of life. His
life-force was not to be extinguished but would be transferred to the ovum
of the virgin girl, Mary." (Watchtower magazine, 2-15-82, p.7)

But Michael's existence as a human being was only temporary. When his
human form passed away on the cross, the Society claims that God
transferred Michael's life force back into his angel form thus restoring him to
his former spirit existence; leaving the corpse of his human existence in a
permanent state of decease.

In other words: in Watchtower thinking, the resurrection that classical
Christianity celebrates at Easter should be celebrating the resurrection of an
angel instead of the resurrection of a human.

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Isn't it true that Jesus said, "I am coming again and will receive you home to myself, that where I am you also may be?" Does that mean that Jesus is in heaven, so his apostles Will be taken to heaven where he is right? Doesn't 1Corinthians 15: 44 say that in the resurrection the dead are raised up a spiritual body? Doesn't 2 Corinthians 5:16 tell us that although the apostles knew Jesus according to the flesh, certainly they now don't know him so no more in the flesh. Isn't it true that the Bible is very clear when it says: " Christ died once for all time concerning sins that he was put to death in the flesh, but being made alive in the spirit? Didn't Jesus give his perfect human life as a ransom for us? Didn't Jesus basically explain it this way: The bread that I will give is my flesh in behalf of the world? (John 6:51) This means he gave up his fleshly body in sacrifice for humankind right? Well how long is that sacrifice to be in affect? Doesn't the apostle Paul say this sacrifice is for all time?(Hebrew 10: 10) Since Jesus gave up his flesh for the life of the world, would he take that sacrifice back? I don't think he would take it back so I don't think he is a man in heaven and I don't believe he will return as a man.

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