Proof of the Trinity. No takers?

101G · Dec 31, 2018

Dave L said:
You'll not understand the bible unless you understand the deity of Christ. Jesus is body, soul, and Spirit just as we are. But his Spirit is the triune God who sometimes spoke as God and other times spoke as man.

No Dave you're not understanding. Jesus "TOOK" on flesh and blood ans was not a partaker of it. listen,
Hebrews 2:14 "Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil"

see Dave, we humans are "PARTAKERS" of flesh and blood, JESUS was not. understand he "TOOK PART of the same but was not a "PARTAKER" of flesh and blood.

we're to "PARTAKE" of his divine nature, and not just "Take PART" in it.

I suggest you need to study on the difference between "TOOK PART" and "PARTAKE".

because many are saying Jesus is half man and half god, or 100% man and 100% God.

if so one better know the difference, and read
Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

101G · Dec 31, 2018

Dave L said:
Three persons as God present at Jesus' baptism. How can you not see this?

neither see it nor HEAR it ....

now for the last time Dave, who do the bible say is the "VOICE" from heaven, ..... LAST Chance to answer.

Harvest 1874 · Dec 31, 2018

justbyfaith said:
None of that is going to convince me because I am kjv-only/superior in my view of Bible translations.

Many there are who worship their translation greater than they do the one whose words it contains.

Dave L · Dec 31, 2018

101G said:
neither see it nor HEAR it ....

now for the last time Dave, who do the bible say is the "VOICE" from heaven, ..... LAST Chance to answer.

If a kid scores a touchdown, and someone in the stands yells "that's my son", who might it be saying that?

101G · Dec 31, 2018

Dave L said:
If a kid scores a touchdown, and someone in the stands yells "that's my son", who might it be saying that?

since you will not answer by scripture, I'll leave you Revelation 22:11.

God day.

Dave L · Dec 31, 2018

101G said:
No Dave you're not understanding. Jesus "TOOK" on flesh and blood ans was not a partaker of it. listen,
Hebrews 2:14 "Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil"

see Dave, we humans are "PARTAKERS" of flesh and blood, JESUS was not. understand he "TOOK PART of the same but was not a "PARTAKER" of flesh and blood.

we're to "PARTAKE" of his divine nature, and not just "Take PART" in it.

I suggest you need to study on the difference between "TOOK PART" and "PARTAKE".

because many are saying Jesus is half man and half god, or 100% man and 100% God.

if so one better know the difference, and read
Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

The true doctrine states Jesus is God in trinity. Having a fully divine nature, and a fully human nature. Your not understanding this makes it a straw-man argument from the get go. If you study the historic doctrines before attacking them, you might find you agree with them.

Dave L · Dec 31, 2018

101G said:
since you will not answer by scripture, I'll leave you Revelation 22:11.

God day.

This only proves you cannot explain the three persons of the Godhead present at Jesus' baptism.

Malsi Si Live · Dec 31, 2018

justbyfaith said:
No, God is not schizophrenic. You are thinking of it with a carnal mind. Ask the Holy Spirit what the reality is, if you dare; and then, if you have not been baptized in Jesus' Name, go and get that one done so that you can have the assurance that the Holy Ghost is truly given to you according to that conditional promise (in Acts of the Apostles 2:38-39).

The Lord Jesus Christ is in my heart...and I agree with you that you can search the scriptures because in them you think you have eternal life, but that there is the strong possibility/probability that you are unwilling to come to Him in order that you might have life.

You don't have to build your trinitarian self up by telling me I have a carnal mind and ask the holy spirit. And questioning my salvation is the typical, judgmental trinitarian response to propping up your false trinitarian beliefs.

Malsi Si Live · Dec 31, 2018

Dave L said:
This only proves you cannot explain the three persons of the Godhead present at Jesus' baptism.

You can't get away from that can you. Is that all you've got? Do I have to repeat myself over and over again? Do I have to constantly remind you of the tenets of the Trinity doctrine?

Go back to school!

Malsi Si Live · Dec 31, 2018

Dave L said:
The true doctrine states Jesus is God in trinity. Having a fully divine nature, and a fully human nature. Your not understanding this makes it a straw-man argument from the get go. If you study the historic doctrines before attacking them, you might find you agree with them.

I've got far more time studying this than you do. I rejected the Trinity doctrine in 1973. All you ever come up with are one, two, and three line replies. You provide no substance and no real challenge.

Malsi Si Live · Dec 31, 2018

Dave L said:
We still haven't gotten around this;

“And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” (Matthew 3:16–17) (KJV 1900)

Nothing you say amounts to anything in view of this. And it also makes me question anything else you and other oneness people claim.

Even trinitarians who know what they're talking about admit that doesn't in any way PROVE a trinity. LIKE a dove means SIMILAR to a dove. You can't get it through your head that the holy spirit has no name debunking the idea of ONE person, and that the passage in NO WAY implies a co-equal, all knowing, all powerful trinity!

You certainly aren't the sharpest tool in the drawer!

Malsi Si Live · Dec 31, 2018

"ByGrace" said:
This may be a very stupid question...but, seriously ...why does anyone need “proof “ of the trinity ...or to prove it otherwise so?

Except for “didcussions “ sake....
Why is it such a big deal to some?

We walk by faith....not by “proof”...right?

It's a big deal because I almost gave up on God because of His judgmental, hypocritical, trinitarian followers. Trinitarian's CONDEMN non-trinitarian's. People like John MacArthur, Catholics, most Protestants, and a host of others claim that if you don't believe in trinity you're damned and are NOT a Christian.

In every debate I've been in with trinitarian's, all of my replies were removed and I was booted from the blog or banned from the forum. That's because Trinitarian Protestant's don't like it when they're debunked!

Dave L · Dec 31, 2018

Malsi Si Live said:
Even trinitarians who know what they're talking about admit that doesn't in any way PROVE a trinity. LIKE a dove means SIMILAR to a dove. You can't get it through your head that the holy spirit has no name debunking the idea of ONE person, and that the passage in NO WAY implies a co-equal, all knowing, all powerful trinity!

You certainly aren't the sharpest tool in the drawer!

Insults prove only a corrupt heart on the part of the speaker. I'd prefer solid scripture rebuttals instead.

Dave L · Dec 31, 2018

Malsi Si Live said:
I've got far more time studying this than you do. I rejected the Trinity doctrine in 1973. All you ever come up with are one, two, and three line replies. You provide no substance and no real challenge.

You still cannot disprove God's three persons being present at the same time during Jesus' baptism.

justbyfaith · Dec 31, 2018

101G said:
meaning JESUS is the Spirit.

101G said:
see Dave, we humans are "PARTAKERS" of flesh and blood, JESUS was not. understand he "TOOK PART of the same but was not a "PARTAKER" of flesh and blood.

101G, you appear to here be denying that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is Gnosticism and abject heresy. See 1 John 4:1-3, 2 John 1:7. I will ask you one time (and I expect a yes or no answer): Do you confess that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh?

Harvest 1874 said:
Many there are who worship their translation greater than they do the one whose words it contains.

I worship the Lord Jesus Christ above all else, and do not "worship" a translation at all. I do hold the kjv to be the inerrant, inspired word of God however. For He has magnified His word above all His name, Psalms 138:2.

Malsi Si Live said:
You don't have to build your trinitarian self up by telling me I have a carnal mind and ask the holy spirit.

Okay, it isn't carnal-mindedness to accuse God of being insane...

Malsi Si Live said:
And questioning my salvation is the typical, judgmental trinitarian response to propping up your false trinitarian beliefs.

It seems to me that you were the one who questioned my salvation first. I simply took your words and reiterated them in a more biblical frame and sent them back to you.

Malsi Si Live said:
You certainly aren't the sharpest tool in the drawer!

Now I know that you were talking to someone else there; but in my own personal life intellectual pride has been a huge problem. So the Lord took away some of my intelligence so that I could be one of His sheep. And I am happy for the trade.

Malsi Si Live · Dec 31, 2018

justbyfaith said:
Okay, it isn't carnal-mindedness to accuse God of being insane

I have no problem accusing you of false accusations and calling you a slanderous hypocrite!

Just because you've been debunked doesn't mean you have to resort to foolish reveling.

justbyfaith · Dec 31, 2018

Malsi Si Live said:
I have no problem accusing you of false accusations and calling you a slanderous hypocrite!

Just because you've been debunked doesn't mean you have to resort to foolish reveling.

I have not been debunked; in fact, I have answered all of your objections to my satisfaction.

Malsi Si Live · Dec 31, 2018

justbyfaith said:
I have not been debunked; in fact, I have answered all of your objections to my satisfaction.

If that were the case you would NOT be resorting to foolish accusations and a belittling attitude.

justbyfaith · Dec 31, 2018

Malsi Si Live said:
If that were the case you would NOT be resorting to foolish accusations and a belittling attitude.

No, I simply think that calling God schizophrenic has to be the thinking of a carnal mind. I was not referring to anything else you said, in that.

justbyfaith · Dec 31, 2018

Looking back at the record of the conversation, I found that I did not accuse you, @Malsi Si Live, of having a carnal mind at all. I originally said that to @mjrhealth.

You took it personal in post #328 (Proof of the Trinity. No takers?).

The proof is in the pudding that I was actually not talking to you. See post #305 (Proof of the Trinity. No takers?).

You also appeared to take it personal in post #335 (Proof of the Trinity. No takers?)

Proof of the Trinity. No takers?

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Dave L

Guest

Well-Known Member

Dave L

Guest

Dave L

Guest

Active Member

Active Member

Active Member

Active Member

Active Member

Dave L

Guest

Dave L

Guest

Well-Known Member

Active Member

Well-Known Member

Active Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Similar threads