Proof of the Trinity. No takers?

justbyfaith · Jan 7, 2019

Dave L said:
The Jews who rejected Jesus were no doubt the Antichrists John spoke of. But you believe exactly as the do. If John says they deny the Father AND the Son, he condemns you too for saying the same when you say the Father IS the Son.

Nope.

The Messiah of the Jews would not be a Person in contradiction to the doctrines of the Old Testament.

It is a major part of our Judeo-Christian roots that there is one God (Deuteronomy 6:4, James 2:19).

This entire conversation has exposed the fact that you are a Tritheist. You claim that God is triune only to hide the fact that you believe in three separate Gods.

justbyfaith · Jan 7, 2019

Dave L said:
I don't believe OSAS. You are in over your head on this and need to repent. You have the wrong spirit if you say the father IS the son. You cannot have a son without a father. You cannot have a father without a son.

How can I repent of believing in what I know is biblically the truth? I would be a man devoid of integrity if I did that.

What you need to do is show me biblically how my doctrine is in error; and then I will be glad to repent.

Dave L · Jan 7, 2019

justbyfaith said:
Nope.

The Messiah of thee Jews would not be a Person in contradiction to the doctrines of the Old Testament.

It is a major part of our Judeo-Christian roots that there is one God (Deuteronomy 6:4, James 2:19).

This entire conversation has exposed the fact that you are a Tritheist. You claim that God is triune only to hide the fact that you believe in three separate Gods.

You say the Father is the Son. But both were present at Jesus baptism.

Dave L · Jan 7, 2019

justbyfaith said:
How can I repent of believing in what I know is biblically the truth? I would be a man devoid of integrity if I did that.

What you need to do is show me biblically how my doctrine is in error; and then I will be glad to repent.

If you believe God's word, you can see your error.

justbyfaith · Jan 7, 2019

Dave L said:
You say the Father is the Son. But both were present at Jesus baptism.

This has already been explained to you.

justbyfaith · Jan 7, 2019

Dave L said:
If you believe God's word, you can see your error.

I believe God's word; and do not see any error in what I preach.

Dave L · Jan 7, 2019

justbyfaith said:
This has already been explained to you.

You deny Christ when you ignore the three persons called God present at his baptism. Many false Christ will come and deceive many. And your version is one of them.

Dave L · Jan 7, 2019

justbyfaith said:
I believe God's word; and do not see any error in what I preach.

You cannot preach the truth, or be trusted to preach the truth if you cannot discern the trinity in Christ's baptism.

justbyfaith · Jan 7, 2019

Dave L said:
You cannot preach the truth, or be trusted to preach the truth if you cannot discern the trinity in Christ's baptism.

You are the one saying that I don't discern the Trinity at Jesus' baptism. You are bent on telling everyone that what I am preaching isn't the Trinity; when I am preaching it quite exactly.

You are the one who needs to repent.

Dave L · Jan 7, 2019

justbyfaith said:
You are the one saying that I don't discern the Trinity at Jesus' baptism. You are bent on telling everyone that what I am preaching isn't the Trinity; when I am preaching it quite exactly.

You are the one who needs to repent.

You have more in common with Islam in your Oneness view of God, than you do with historic Christianity which is the only religion in the world to worship God in trinity.

justbyfaith · Jan 7, 2019

Dave L said:
You deny Christ when you ignore the three persons called God present at his baptism. Many false Christ will come and deceive many. And your version is one of them.

Paul said that if someone comes preaching a different Christ, those who are in the truth may well put up with it (2 Corinthians 11:3-4). You are not putting up with the preaching of the real Christ, therefore. Because if it were a false Christ that I were preaching, there would be a lot more tolerance for my doctrine.

Dave L · Jan 7, 2019

justbyfaith said:
Paul said that if someone comes preaching a different Christ, those who are in the truth may well put up with it. You are not putting up with the preaching of the real Christ, therefore. Because if it were a false Christ that I were preaching, there would be a lot more tolerance for my doctrine.

And you preach a different Christ from the one John baptized.............

justbyfaith · Jan 7, 2019

Dave L said:
You have more in common with Islam in your Oneness view of God, than you do with historic Christianity which is the only religion in the world to worship God in trinity.

I do believe in, and am preaching, the Trinity; however you do not understand what I am saying and therefore reject my preaching as non-Trinitarian.

justbyfaith · Jan 7, 2019

Dave L said:
You say the Father is the Son. But both were present at Jesus baptism.

Oh, but I saw this and have the need to correct you, because you have misrepresented me once again.

I say that the Son is the Father (Isaiah 9:6); not that the Father is the Son.

You have not understood, or even heard, a word that I have said.

So, kudos to you for defending the doctrine of the Trinity against something that you don't understand, which your opponent is saying is the Trinity.

You would be wise to consider the scriptures that I have referenced on the matter, and also to seek to understand what I am saying, before you reject it outright.

101G · Jan 7, 2019

All those trinity believers who say the Father name is Jehovah and the Son name is Jesus.
let's eliminate this false name Jehovah, aka Yahweh.

Exodus 6:3 "And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

ok, let's look closley at this statement. we know that God cannot lie. that a fact. God himself said that Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, knew him as "God Almighty" and NOT by the name "JEHOVAH".

ok, let's see if this is true,
Genesis 22:14 "And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen".

HOLD IT, what's wrong with this picture? Abraham here in Genesis is calling God Jehovahjireh, but in Exodus 6:3, which is AFTER Genesis 22:14 God said that Abraham did not know him by that name.

well someone is lying, and God is not. and neither is Abraham, because he is called the "friend of God". and one of the things God hates is a lying tongue. so who lied about God name? answer, the translators? no, not on purpose, but of God's will. (That's another subject matter to be discussed).

but to the matter at hand. how can God say Abraham did not know him by the JEHOVAH and yet plain as day that name was used in Genesis 22:14....

but consider this,
Isaiah 52:6 "Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.

Now God clearly tells us "HIS" people, ... Oh, now I see now, ... "HIS" people shall know his name.

shall is a future tense desigination. God said, "they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I".
ok, when is that day where he said that?

lets check the record,
John 8:24 "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins".

who said this? JESUS. "I am he". how clear can on get.

oh well, but get that false name Jehovah, aka Yahweh out of your mouth.

PICJAG

justbyfaith · Jan 7, 2019

The name Jesus means simply, YHWH is salvation...

Jesus is YHWH, the One who saves us from our sins...Matthew 1:21.

re #1155.

justbyfaith · Jan 7, 2019

Also, concerning Patripassianism...

In Romans 4:24-25 it is written, But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

Who raised Jesus from the dead? God did, Romans 10:9.

Who is God? The Father, 1 Corinthians 8:6 and other verses previously referenced (Ephesians 4:6, Romans 15:6, James 3:9 (kjv)).

justbyfaith · Jan 7, 2019

God is the great "I will be who I will be."

He has many things attached to His name at different places in Israel's history that define who He is to the people in respect to who He is to them at that particular moment.

A few of them are "Jehovah-jireh (the LORD will provide), Jehovah-Tsidkenuh (the LORD our righteous banner), Jehovah-shalom (the LORD our peace), and Jehovah-rapha (the LORD our healer).

So when Jesus comes as "the LORD our salvation", it is clear that He is indeed YHWH bringing the capacity of His being in that He is the salvation of His people.

cont'd from #1156.

justbyfaith · Jan 7, 2019

Dave L said:
You deny Christ when you ignore the three persons called God present at his baptism. Many false Christ will come and deceive many. And your version is one of them.

Only a select few will even believe what I am preaching, because it is so vehemently opposed. Just goes to show that the way to life is narrow...(Matthew 7:13-14, Jeremiah 29:13).

justbyfaith · Jan 7, 2019

Dave L said:
And you preach a different Christ from the one John baptized.............

I preach the Jesus Christ of Isaiah 9:6, which is indeed the same Jesus who was baptized by John...Jesus Christ of Nazareth. And there is none other name given under heaven among men whereby we must be saved. Acts of the Apostles 4:10-12.

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