Why divorce is not an option for Christians?

Miss Hepburn · Nov 8, 2009

I have not been following this thread, but I did just read your last post here, Diana..very well explained.I'm going to go back a few pages and see how we got to this point.

Miss Hepburn...........................................................................................................Whoa, I'm not going to delete my post here -but - I had no idea there were pages of discussion here.It is very involved and I will just be a spectator from now on. This is an interesting topic - I never looked at it bec I wasn't interested in divorce. Showed me!

Christina · Nov 8, 2009

[quote name='Diana;74478]They were not endowed with special supernatural abilities????? My sister' date=' don't you know that the Apostles had the power to heal and cast out devils? (See Acts 5:12-16). This power came from God and given to the Apostles. Do you read the Bible? My sister, the Bible already stated that Jesus gave His Apostles the authority to forgive sins or retain sins through the power of the Holy Spirit that was given them. My sister, it was YOU who stated that priests were appointed by men. The office of priesthood was created by God since the time of Moses. And the Apostles also called themselves priests because God made them not just Apostles, but also priests. He gave them the office of the priesthood that continued on today. You are correct in that our priests are just men. They are men, but all power comes from God. In the same way, the Apostles were only men - they were sinful men, but all power comes from God. Christ is indeed the Mediator between God and men. And this Mediator is the Head of the Church. The office of priesthood from the Apostles continues to live on today with Jesus Christ as its Head. The office of the priesthood was established by God, not by man.[/QUOTE'] Well My dear sisterTwist everything you like but your priest and pope are chosen by men whether or not they felt the spirit move them into the ministry is not what we are talking about many are moved into the ministry Catholic or protestant You are claiming that your catholic priest alone are appointed by God just as the Apostles were and can forgive the sins of men. And Pass judgement who can and can not take communion with God this conversation is pointless we will never agree No one can forgive sins but God PERIOD your priests are just sinnful men like us all with no speacial powers from God to forgive sin.

Diana · Nov 8, 2009

Christina;74491 said:
Well My dear sisterTwist everything you like but your priest and pope are chosen by men whether or not they felt the spirit move them into the ministry is not what we are talking about many are moved into the ministry Catholic or protestant You are claiming that your catholic priest alone are appointed by God just as the Apostles were and can forgive the sins of men. And Pass judgement who can and can not take communion with God this conversation is pointless we will never agree No one can forgive sins but God PERIOD your priests are just sinnful men like us all with no speacial powers from God to forgive sin.

Then, the question you should have asked yourself was "why did Jesus sent sinful men (the Apostles) to forgive sins when men could have just gone directly to God and asked forgiveness?" Instead of passing judgement, why don't you read my last post to n2thelight?

Diana · Nov 8, 2009

Here, I'll print out my reply to n2thelight for you:Christ, the Mediator, is also the Head of the Church. If you can understand that the very nature of the Church as the Mystical Body of Christ, then you can better appreciate that Jesus lives and acts in His Church through His divine Word in Scripture, the Liturgies, the Mass and Sacraments. Then we see that it is not a mere man, but Jesus Christ, the Son of God and Savior who is forgiving sin through the power of the Holy Spirit that he gave to the priests and bishops just as He had given to the Apostles. Do you not believe that God uses human beings to carry out His Will? After all, He used the Apostles to carry out forgiveness of sins when He told the Apostles to go out and forgive sins. (See John 20:21-23) Here, we have Jesus sending sinful men (the Apostles) out to forgive sins, so why did He sent these men to forgive sins. So, shouldn't you ask why Christ sent sinful men (the Apostles) to forgive sins when people can just go directly to God and ask forgiveness? The answer is because God uses people to communicate with us. For example, the Gospels record that Jesus sent out the twelve and others of his followers with the same power and authority that he possessed. In fact, Jesus even promised his disciples, "he who believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do (Jn. 14:12). As you can see, Jesus himself established certain ways or "channels" of sharing his life and power with humankind. The Apostles knew that they were not Jesus when they performed miracles (Acts 5:12-16) or when they forgave sins, but they knew that Jesus was present with them and through them when they did those things in his name. The Apostles were mere men who were told to forgive sins. These Apostles were able to forgive sins because they became a channel of the grace and power of Jesus Christ. God communicated His forgiveness and the giving of the Holy Spirit through the Apostles (Acts 8:17). The Apostles were only human channels of God's way of communicating with us. It is the same of our priests and bishops. This is what the Church still continues to do since apostolic times.

Christina · Nov 8, 2009

No I already answered that question The aspostels were given the full knowledge of God that was the miracle of Penecost day it is evendenced by the cloven when spoken all understand in their own language and what will happen in the future Mark 13. I dont see this in your priests ...therefore they only have the same spirit we all have to be made new men in Christ because you are not taught this you can not see. And Im done going around in circles on this ...You indoctrinated to your beliefs fine ..I just dont agree they are Gods Words ....... We have no miracle of Penecost occuring at this time on your priest or our ministers they are but sinful men ... doing their best same as us all ... They can not forgive sin Only one can forgive sin God

Diana · Nov 8, 2009

Christina;74498 said:
No I already answered that question The aspostels were given the full knowledge of God that was the miracle of Penecost day it is evendenced by the cloven when spoken all understand in their own language and what will happen in the future Mark 13. I dont see this in your priests ...therefore they only have the same spirit we all have to be made new men in Christ because you are not taught this you can not see. And Im done going around in circles on this ...You indoctrinated to your beliefs fine ..I just dont agree they are Gods Words ....... We have no miracle of Penecost occuring at this time on your priest or our ministers they are but sinful men ... doing their best same as us all ... They can not forgive sin Only one can forgive sin God

Jesus promised us that those who believe in Him will do the same works and even greater works. It is in John 14:12. Those were God's words and we believe Him. We cannot believe you who say that the Apostles were only given full knowledge and yet, we see in the Bible that even they were performing miracles under Jesus' name. Catholic still believe the Word of God spoek in John 14:12 and we do believe in God's miracles today. And by the way, my priest can speak 7 different languages and today, he is learning to speak my native language - which is Chamorro.Peace be with you, Diana

Christina · Nov 8, 2009

great belive as you will and it makes no differerance if your priest speaks/learns every language on earth anyone of a mind to could do the same thing.Just makes him educated, thats all. Its not the cloven tongue of God a single language understood by every human being in their own language even down to to their local accent ..Thats God cloven Tongue ... And with it comes the full knowlegde of God the miracle of Pentecost and future at the time of Mark 13.. upon the Elect who will become the overcomers the priests of God....

Diana · Nov 8, 2009

Christina;74500]great belive as you will and it makes no differerance if your priest speaks/learns every language on earth anyone of a mind to could do the same thing.Just makes him educated said:
My sister, Catholics believe that God's language is a language of love understood by all despite the differences in languages. That is what "cloven tongue" is really about. The Holy Spirit came down as tongues because tongues are used for speaking; and as fire, because fire is the symbol of passion, of love, of zeal. The Paraclete descended upon the Apostles and disciples in this way because He was strengthening them to preach the Gospel with burning love.That's what they did. The apostles burst through the doors of the Upper Room to share the greatest news ever heard. Everyone could understand what they were saying, because they were proclaiming, with word and body language, the universal idiom of ardent love. This is God's true language understood by all humans. So, what makes you think that my priest do not have this "tongue of fire" when you have never heard him speak? Peace be with you, Diana

Christina · Nov 8, 2009

Well thats all good and fine for Catholics, but thats not what the bible says which takes us right back full circle you follow a religion and we follow the scripture... Though we may share some like believes we do have our differances...

path · Nov 8, 2009

Diana;74496]... So said:
[/COLOR] PS: The apostles wern't Catholic, they became part of the catholic (universal) church, put they were never a part of your Roman Catholic Church.

Diana · Nov 8, 2009

Christina;74505]Well thats all good and fine for Catholics said:
The fact that you are unable to dispute any of my posts shows that we follow Scripture. We know that God's language has always been the language of love because God is love and that is in Scripture. My sister, we are thousands of year ahead of you. You're still trying to figure out what "cloven tongues of fire" is while we already figured it out a long time ago.

Diana · Nov 8, 2009

path;74514][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Diana said:
You are correct, Path. The Apostles were part of the Catholic Church. When you say "Roman Catholic Church" it is only referring to the Catholic Church in Rome. The Catholic Church is found all over the world. And it is the Catholic Church that can trace its lineage to the Apostle Peter. We are an "Apostolic" church. The Bible shows that God has always chosen the poor, the weak, the lowly, the humble, and the greatest sinner as His chosen one. He never choose the strong or the wealthest person. God always chooses the weak, the lowly, the humble, and the greatest sinner as His chosen ones and through them, His power is shown. Abraham was chosen because he was very old and his wife was barren. God's power made Abraham the father of many nations. David was also chosen, and he was only a shepherd boy, but it was this shepherd boy who had no military skills that defeated Goliath. This shepherd boy also became a king because only God had the power to turn a shepherd boy into a king. If David had been a warrior and a strong man, it would be easy for anyone to believe that David himself can become king on his own power. But a poor shepherd boy with no military skill to defeat a giant and later become king can only be a power coming from God. St. Paul was a great sinner as he murdered Christians, but he was God's chosen. The Hebrew people were chosen because they were slaves, and slaves are the poorest of the poor. However, this chosen race became a nation (Ex. 19:6). Moses told this group of people that they are God's chosen people, his priesthood, and a consecrated nation. St. Peter made a similar speech to the Christians. St. Peter told the Christians that they are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, and a consecrated nation (1 Peter 2:9). Of all the Christian denomination, ony the Catholic Church became a nation with the Pope as "Head of State." God's chosen people became a nation in time. God's chosen church also became a nation. Vatican City is a country just like Israel and the Pope is a "Head of State" just like the Prime Minister of Israel. It was only the Jewish people who was able to fulfill the prophecy spoken to them by Moses (Ex. 19:6). It was only the Catholic Church that was able to fulfill the prophecy spoken to the Christians by St. Peter (1 Peter 2:9); therefore, we are His chosen church.

Christina · Nov 8, 2009

Diana;74532]The fact that you are unable to dispute any of my posts shows that we follow Scripture. :) We know that God said:
I dont dispute it because you are so wrong... You would never see the truth you blinded by your religion the truth is written for every man to read.... so theres no point wasting my time with someone who has to have it told to them by men ..... so think what you like ..

forgivenWretch · Nov 8, 2009

Christina;74491 said:
Well My dear sisterTwist everything you like but your priest and pope are chosen by men whether or not they felt the spirit move them into the ministry is not what we are talking about many are moved into the ministry Catholic or protestant You are claiming that your catholic priest alone are appointed by God just as the Apostles were and can forgive the sins of men. And Pass judgement who can and can not take communion with God this conversation is pointless we will never agree No one can forgive sins but God PERIOD your priests are just sinnful men like us all with no speacial powers from God to forgive sin.

Amen Christina!

Diana · Nov 8, 2009

Christina;74536 said:
I dont dispute it because you are so wrong... You would never see the truth you blinded by your religion so theres no point wasting my time so think what you like ...

Okay, then I guess you think that God is not love because that is the true interpretation of "tongues of fire." I will leave you in trying to figure out what language God speaks. Both the Catholic and Orthodox Christians already figured it out. It's now your turn to figure it out on your own. Gook luck.

Christina · Nov 8, 2009

LOL whatever Diana if you were allowed to read it with your mind you might see what it says but you can not remember ...you must go ask a priest or read your own Bible what ever happens dont think ...Just follow the other cattle off the cliff

Diana · Nov 8, 2009

Christina;74540 said:
LOL whatever Diana if you were allowed to read it with your mind you might see what it says but you can not remember ...you must go ask a priest or read your own Bible what ever happens dont think ...Just follow the other cattle off the cliff

You are correct, my sister. I don't need to interpret it because as I keep telling you, Jesus Christ is the Head of the Church. So, why should I question the Word of God? Jesus Christ is the Word of God, not just the Bible....don't you remember? Even your bible says that Christ is the Word of God, and this Word of God (who has a name called Jesus Christ) has always been the Head of the Church. I read the Bible. I just don't interpret it because Jesus Christ, the Head of our Church, is the one I trust to interpret it because Word came from Him. I trust Christ, our Lord and Head of the Church.Apparently, you do not trust your church to interpret it for you. Why? Isn't Jesus the Head of your church?

Christina · Nov 8, 2009

For those other than Diana who can read Gods Words and understand it Acts 21And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterancetongues here is language of men as next verse tells you 7And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? 8And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? their own language wether they were Medes, Asians, ect even down to the accents of where they were born 9Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, The aspostels if you all remember did not often understand the meaning of what Jesus was saying when he spoke but after Penecost Day they had all the knowledge to start the church ... That Diana claims as hers ..but it belongs to all men who will hear of it they were not just speaking of love as she says they now had the knowlegde to Preach the full gospel arounf the World ....This was the miracle and reason of Penecost Day ... We all have known sense Genesis God loves us we didnt need a Penecost Day Miracle to tell us that.... He showed and Told us in all he did

Diana · Nov 8, 2009

Christina;74543 said:
.... This was the miracle and reason of Penecost Day ... We all have known sense Genesis God loves us we didnt need a Penecost Day Miracle to tell us that.... He showed and Told us in all he did

Sorry, but this statement is heresy. This is false teaching. God didn't use the Pentacost miracle to show that He loved us. He showed His love for all mankind by dying on the cross and forgiving us all our sins (John 15:13)

path · Nov 8, 2009

Diana;74535]You are correct said:
Diana,One thing I must say for you, you are a master at twisting another person’s words, just like someone else I know. Every answer you give twists the truth. The term "catholic church" (lower case c’s, not capital C’s) or “universal church” refers to all believers in Jesus Christ across the world and the ages, regardless of "denominational" affiliation. The term "Catholic Church" with capital C’s refers to the Roman Catholic Church headquartered in Rome. It is the one you have been referring to all the time ("the Catholic Church became a nation with the Pope as "Head of State." ) Currently the terms Catholic Church and Roman Catholic Church are synonymous.

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