[Question]about eating blood

CharismaticLady · Sep 23, 2020

quietthinker said:
You say CL, 'health is one thing. Sin is another'....that's a curious division! I would say, anything that diminishes one's optimal function is sin.....God's standard is perfection, nothing less.

It was sin to eat meat before the flood.
It was NOT a sin to eat meat after the flood
It became a sin again during the period of the law on certain meats.
It then became NOT a sin after the period of the law was over.

You are focusing on your body of flesh that will someday become dust, and not the spiritual depths of God.

CharismaticLady · Sep 23, 2020

Giuliano said:
People get a feeling of being "high" from drinking blood, especially from an animal freshly killed. What appears to be happening is that they are absorbing the "life energy" of the animal's soul so it makes them feel very alive. The downside, in my opinion, is their consciousness will become less human and more like "the beast." Psychologists are mystified by the "symptoms" shown in people who drink blood in magic rituals.

Yikes!!!

Renniks · Sep 23, 2020

stredaleve said:
Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

but how do love the Lord your God?
if you me keep my commandments
so if we love God we should also keep his commandments

this includes
But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.

then we should not eat blood but how will you do that there's blood all over the meat you eat you may not see it because it is already cooked but it is still there that is blood just that it is cooked

11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul. 12 Therefore I said unto the children of Israel, No soul of you shall eat blood, neither shall any stranger that sojourneth among you eat blood. 13 And whatsoever man there be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn among you, which hunteth and catcheth any beast or fowl that may be eaten; he shall even pour out the blood thereof, and cover it with dust. 14 For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof: therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh: for the life of all flesh is the blood thereof: whosoever eateth it shall be cut off.

what does it really mean? do not eat meat of all flesh?

Ceremonial laws were done away with. There's no longer any dietary laws.

Renniks · Sep 23, 2020

MattMooradian said:
Chicken are strangled.

But they are bled.

CharismaticLady · Sep 23, 2020

Renniks said:
Ceremonial laws were done away with. There's no longer any dietary laws.

Not about clean and unclean animals, but there are NT laws still about things strangled, and consuming blood. Acts 15.

liafailrock · Sep 23, 2020

stredaleve said:
Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

but how do love the Lord your God?
if you me keep my commandments
so if we love God we should also keep his commandments

this includes
But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.

then we should not eat blood but how will you do that there's blood all over the meat you eat you may not see it because it is already cooked but it is still there that is blood just that it is cooked

11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul. 12 Therefore I said unto the children of Israel, No soul of you shall eat blood, neither shall any stranger that sojourneth among you eat blood. 13 And whatsoever man there be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn among you, which hunteth and catcheth any beast or fowl that may be eaten; he shall even pour out the blood thereof, and cover it with dust. 14 For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof: therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh: for the life of all flesh is the blood thereof: whosoever eateth it shall be cut off.

what does it really mean? do not eat meat of all flesh?

We are allowed to eat meat specified in the bible. If we were not allowed to eat meat by implication (because it may contain trace amounts of blood and we may not eat the blood), then that in turn contradicts the meats that are allowed, thus you need not worry if there's a few molecules of blood in the meat. I think the creator of all knows that traces are left behind. But that small amount won't hurt. As for the "blood all over the meat", that's technically myoglobin, a relative to blood but to oxygenate the muscles they believe-- it stores oxygen. The blood was drained out at slaughter. Jews have a very special way to drain blood and making it kosher with salt, broiling, etc to make sure it was all drained and absorbed. When I first learned about kosher meats and started eating that way, I noticed a turkey I picked up was deemed Kosher. Since a turkey is clean, I wondered why. And that's the reason I learned: it was slaughtered correctly and all the blood drained. Rabbi's watch over the process.

ThePuffyBlob · Sep 23, 2020

CharismaticLady said:
How was the animal killed? Is that what they actually call the dish? Blood stew?

he shall even pour out the blood thereof, and cover it with dust.

the opposite of this ⇬ the blood of the pig was poured in a bowl

even when we were eating wild chickens after slicing the neck it is being pour in the bowl of course it will struggle to live and splatter the blood all over the place they just hold it tightly to the wings feet and head when i hold it i could not help pity the poor chicken and that blood will be cook along with the chicken

chicken in lemongrass soup tastier than the blood stew especially if it is wild chicken than white chicken

of course the image of cook blood boiled in lemongrass looks black with dark red on the inside if i do not eat people will say that i am too picky and wasteful if i cook a different dish and if i said genesis 9:4 they would say it is about eating the blood of your own child or kind but what about leviticus 17:11 they would say you're still too young you don't really understand it and so i've already eaten blood even if i avoid eating blood

but come to think of it even if you hang the corpse of an animal for a few minutes it will not drain the entire blood and when you cook it there will be blood on the inside of the meat you won't be able to tell where is the blood because it was already cooked along with the flesh

so you are also eating blood in the meat

CharismaticLady · Sep 23, 2020

stredaleve said:
he shall even pour out the blood thereof, and cover it with dust.

the opposite of this ⇬ the blood of the pig was poured in a bowl

even when we were eating wild chickens after slicing the neck it is being pour in the bowl of course it will struggle to live and splatter the blood all over the place they just hold it tightly to the wings feet and head when i hold it i could not help pity the poor chicken and that blood will be cook along with the chicken

chicken in lemongrass soup tastier than the blood stew especially if it is wild chicken than white chicken

of course the image of cook blood boiled in lemongrass looks black with dark red on the inside if i do not eat people will say that i am too picky and wasteful if i cook a different dish and if i said genesis 9:4 they would say it is about eating the blood of your own child or kind but what about leviticus 17:11 they would say you're still too young you don't really understand it and so i've already eaten blood even if i avoid eating blood

but come to think of it even if you hang the corpse of an animal for a few minutes it will not drain the entire blood and when you cook it there will be blood on the inside of the meat you won't be able to tell where is the blood because it was already cooked along with the flesh

so you are also eating blood in the meat

Whatever decision you come to on this, that is what you need to do with a clear conscience. Romans 14 and 1 John 3:21

ThePuffyBlob · Sep 23, 2020

Prayer Warrior said:
Hi, stredaleve, welcome to the forum! I like your little piggy avatar.

Jesus said to keep HIS commands. Where did JESUS command us not to eat meat with blood in it?

i like it too the pinkish pig but i do not have a pig pet but we do have livestocks of wild pig to butcher and eat or sell

this is just a conclusion since christ said if we love him we will keep his commandments but what about the father God in heaven so if we love the father in heaven we should also keep his commandments of the old testament

DNB · Sep 23, 2020

stredaleve said:
what does it really mean? do not eat meat of all flesh?

Genesis 9:1-3
9:1. And God blessed Noah and his sons and said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth. 2. "The fear of you and the terror of you will be on every beast of the earth and on every bird of the sky; with everything that creeps on the ground, and all the fish of the sea, into your hand they are given. 3. "Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you; I give all to you, as I gave the green plant.

ThePuffyBlob · Sep 23, 2020

quietthinker said:
If you want optimal health stredaleve, abstaining from these things is in your interest.

oh my purpose of posting in this christian health is not about physical but spiritual health it is still about christian health though i actually could not care about my physical health except that i do not want to suffer much when i am older

ThePuffyBlob · Sep 23, 2020

amadeus said:
We could make up a whole new set of rules with the NT by pulling out this verse and that verse an compiling a list similar to the 613 for the children of Jacob... but then what would or should we do with the following verses?

Here Paul expresses how it is supposed to be:

"All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not" I Cor 10:23

But then Paul gives the example where a change of our direction may be needed so as to not offend the other guy:

"If any of them that believe not bid you to a feast, and ye be disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience sake.
But if any man say unto you, This is offered in sacrifice unto idols, eat not for his sake that showed it, and for conscience sake: for the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof:" I Cor 10:27-28

"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ." Col 2:16-17

They are "a shadow"!

"Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
(Touch not; taste not; handle not;
Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men?
Which things have indeed a show of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh." Col 2:20-23

If they are but a "shadow" where do we find the reality? Carnal food, such as meat and potatoes, water and yes even blood are still only shadows of God message. We are to drink blood, the blood of Jesus, but not the physical red blood that emptied out of his physical body 2000 years ago. It is not available any more than that body of flesh and bone in which he was veiled or housed or dwelled is available to us.

The Israelites were not eat the blood, because that was the life of the beasts they killed and ate... but it was a carnal or natural life. In the beginning men were apparently vegetarians [Gen 1:29], but that seemingly changed as per Gen 9:3-4 but without the blood. [Perhaps this is like moving from milk to meat about which Paul wrote.] Still that is carnal. That is flesh! That is the temporal "type or shadow" of the reality which is Not temporal with some imposed limit. A man often imposes limits on himself and tries to similarly limit other men. God's reality has no limits as God Himself has no limits except as He has allowed men to limit Him in accord with their own wills.

The reality is we are to eat the flesh and drink the blood of Jesus [See John 6:53]. What Paul has written is sometimes perhaps written for the reason Moses wrote things to allow men due to the hardness of their hearts [See Matt 19:18] to continue to have a glimmer of hope for Reality while still walking fleshly ways and had "time". To continue that way is double mindedness which cannot continue indefinitely... [that there should be time no longer:]

"And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:" Acts 17:30

So where is the prohibition against this food or even the blood of animals for one walking in the Spirit? What does the Spirit say? "What is it?"

not sure if i could follow in your early statements xD but the main thing i understand is that we do not need to think about what comes in the mouth because it is of flesh what we need to focus on is about spiritual things

but ain't this spiritual? this is the commandment of God not to eat blood of any life

this things has been bothering me for so long i think it is time to ask questions about it so i did create a thread about it

amadeus · Sep 23, 2020

stredaleve said:
not sure if i could follow in your early statements xD but the main thing i understand is that we do not need to think about what comes in the mouth because it is of flesh what we need to focus on is about spiritual things

but ain't this spiritual? this is the commandment of God not to eat blood of any life

this things has been bothering me for so long i think it is time to ask questions about it so i did create a thread about it

There is Life according to God and there is what men call life. They are not the same. Every man born to woman, I believe, is born dead in the eyes of God. This only changes if a person receives the Life that Jesus brought. Many people never receive that Life, but walk around as if they were alive. They are as men understand it, but to God they are already dead.

Before you bind yourself too tightly in favor or against consuming blood, you do need to understand in your heart where God is taking you with it... spiritually. Things that we do, or do not do, in the flesh can make a difference to our spiritual walk with God. Ultimately I do not believe we are bound regarding the not consuming physical blood. Something that could make a difference is our influence on another person because another person who is watching us may be hurt by our decision.

ThePuffyBlob · Sep 23, 2020

DNB said:
Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you; I give all to you, as I gave the green plant.

now i wondered what human taste like

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eew but if you read it over and over again God was talking to them

oh yes i thought humans can also be eaten but i am wrong so likewise blood is also forbidden

ThePuffyBlob · Sep 23, 2020

amadeus said:
There is Life according to God and there is what men call life. They are not the same. Every man born to woman, I believe, is born dead in the eyes of God. This only changes if a person receives the Life that Jesus brought. Many people never receive that Life, but walk around as if they were alive. They are as men understand it, but to God they are already dead.

Before you bind yourself too tightly in favor or against consuming blood, you do need to understand in your heart where God is taking you with it... spiritually. Things that we do, or do not do, in the flesh can make a difference to our spiritual walk with God. Ultimately I do not believe we are bound regarding the not consuming physical blood. Something that could make a difference is our influence on another person because another person who is watching us may be hurt by our decision.

saving what you said for notes thank you

DNB · Sep 23, 2020

stredaleve said:
now i wondered what human taste like

eew but if you read it over and over again God was talking to them

oh yes i thought humans can also be eaten but i am wrong so likewise blood is also forbidden

Genesis 9:6-6
9:6. "Whoever sheds man's blood, By man his blood shall be shed, For in the image of God He made man.

quietthinker · Sep 24, 2020

CharismaticLady said:
It was sin to eat meat before the flood.
It was NOT a sin to eat meat after the flood
It became a sin again during the period of the law on certain meats.
It then became NOT a sin after the period of the law was over.

You are focusing on your body of flesh that will someday become dust, and not the spiritual depths of God.

I think you have your information muddled CL.....certainly your definitions.

quietthinker · Sep 24, 2020

stredaleve said:
oh my purpose of posting in this christian health is not about physical but spiritual health it is still about christian health though i actually could not care about my physical health except that i do not want to suffer much when i am older

Optimal health covers every facet...spiritual, mental, emotional, physical. Separating them is not an option. If one suffers, all suffer....even if you're not aware of it; nay, particularly when you're not aware of it.

marksman · Sep 24, 2020

stredaleve said:
Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

but how do love the Lord your God?
if you me keep my commandments
so if we love God we should also keep his commandments

this includes
But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.

then we should not eat blood but how will you do that there's blood all over the meat you eat you may not see it because it is already cooked but it is still there that is blood just that it is cooked

11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul. 12 Therefore I said unto the children of Israel, No soul of you shall eat blood, neither shall any stranger that sojourneth among you eat blood. 13 And whatsoever man there be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn among you, which hunteth and catcheth any beast or fowl that may be eaten; he shall even pour out the blood thereof, and cover it with dust. 14 For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof: therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh: for the life of all flesh is the blood thereof: whosoever eateth it shall be cut off.

what does it really mean? do not eat meat of all flesh?

it is standard practice in all abattoirs that the blood is drained from the animal before it is worked on.

CharismaticLady · Sep 24, 2020

quietthinker said:
I think you have your information muddled CL.....certainly your definitions.

If you need it spelled out for you...

It was sin to eat meat before the flood. Genesis 1:
29 And God said, “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food. 30 Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food”; and it was so.

It was NOT a sin to eat meat after the flood. Genesis 9:
“Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth. 2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be on every beast of the earth, on every bird of the air, on all that move on the earth, and on all the fish of the sea. They are given into your hand. 3 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. I have given you all things, even as the green herbs. 4 But you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood.

It became a sin again during the period of the law on certain meats. Leviticus 11 (definitions). Leviticus 20:
24 But I have said to you, “You shall inherit their land, and I will give it to you to possess, a land flowing with milk and honey.” I am the Lord your God, who has separated you from the peoples. 25 You shall therefore distinguish between clean animals and unclean, between unclean birds and clean, and you shall not make yourselves abominable by beast or by bird, or by any kind of living thing that creeps on the ground, which I have separated from you as unclean. 26 And you shall be holy to Me, for I the Lord am holy, and have separated you from the peoples, that you should be Mine.

It then became NOT a sin after the period of the law was over. Acts 10:
10 Then he became very hungry and wanted to eat; but while they made ready, he fell into a trance 11 and saw heaven opened and an object like a great sheet bound at the four corners, descending to him and let down to the earth. 12 In it were all kinds of four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, creeping things, and birds of the air. 13 And a voice came to him, “Rise, Peter; kill and eat.”
14 But Peter said, “Not so, Lord! For I have never eaten anything common or unclean.”
15 And a voice spoke to him again the second time, “What God has cleansed you must not call common.” 16 This was done three times. And the object was taken up into heaven again.

Also, 1 Timothy 4:
commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving; 5 for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

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