New But Troubled

Jonathan · Aug 4, 2010

i just started on this forum yesterday night been reading and posting quite a lot but not seen all of the post, but have read many post with questionable statements that are quite vain, baseless, scriptural, or out of context. note that i do not know all about the Bible or about God, but it troubles me that for what little i do know in my young age in life and in Christ, that many statements on this forum have nothing to do with Christ Jesus or the Cross, but about mythos, and have nothing to do with what we should be studying.
what salvation can be gained from trying to figure out what happened before Genesis?
others saying there were other men created before adam and adam was made on the 8th day, for if there was another adam, should not his seed be sinless and make Jesus of none effect?
this question i just asked if believed of other adams is it not making the God of Truth a liar and a deceiver? is this not Blasphemy? Proverbs 8:6-7
i came to this forum for the like mindness for God in others not to see many brothers and sisters in Christ worrying about the things that are vain and will not bring them salvation.
speaking of these things and someone weak in faith comes along and reads them and is lead astray is not these children's blood on their hand's? "these strong in faith eating the meat sacrificed unto idols, knowing they are nothing, should they not abstain lest those of weak in faith see them and stumble?"

i have not read much here in this forum that has helped me become a better Christian or understand the Bible.
Please show me that i am wrong and that most of you are not like those who look for these myths, and rebuke those speaking of such things that corrupt.
please don't send me away or force me to leave for i would liken it to dusting off my sandals.

in our Lord Jesus Christ name amen.
Isaiah 66:4 Matthew 4:10 John 6:27 Matthew 24:4-6

evanom · Aug 4, 2010

Jo-Nathan said:
i just started on this forum yesterday night been reading and posting quite a lot but not seen all of the post, but have read many post with questionable statements that are quite vain, baseless, scriptural, or out of context. note that i do not know all about the Bible or about God, but it troubles me that for what little i do know in my young age in life and in Christ, that many statements on this forum have nothing to do with Christ Jesus or the Cross, but about mythos, and have nothing to do with what we should be studying.

Welcome to christianity

Jo-Nathan said:
what salvation can be gained from trying to figure out what happened before Genesis?
others saying there were other men created before adam and adam was made on the 8th day, for if there was another adam, should not his seed be sinless and make Jesus of none effect?
this question i just asked if believed of other adams is it not making the God of Truth a liar and a deceiver? is this not Blasphemy?

It's called studying/analyzing/discussing scripture. Nobody is claiming to be more saved, holier, better or smarter than anybody else when asking these questions or debating them. We ask these questions and debate them because we are passionate and fascinated of God's word; we love looking into it and trying to understand more and more each day. Nobody is trying to obtain salvation or save souls by these discussions, we're having discussions as any two people would over coffee or chess. That's what online forums are all about.

Jo-Nathan said:
i came to this forum for the like mindness for God in others not to see many brothers and sisters in Christ worrying about the things that are vain and will not bring them salvation.
speaking of these things and someone weak in faith comes along and reads them and is lead astray is not these children's blood on their hand's? "these strong in faith eating the meat sacrificed unto idols, knowing they are nothing, should they not abstain lest those of weak in faith see them and stumble?"

You come pointing your finger with declarations of how everybody is doing wrong and wasting time on vain things that won't saved them (as if we're all in condemnation and haven't realized it yet and here you are to make us come to our senses).

Jo-Nathan said:
i have not read much here in this forum that has helped me become a better Christian or understand the Bible.
Please show me that i am wrong and that most of you are not like those who look for these myths, and rebuke those speaking of such things that corrupt.
please don't send me away or force me to leave for i would liken it to dusting off my sandals.

in our Lord Jesus Christ name amen.
Isaiah 66:4 Matthew 4:10 John 6:27 Matthew 24:4-6

You're young, you're passionate and you're acting like a brat. We here are people who enjoy discussing God's word; we will agree, disagree, agree again, and then disagree once more. Why? Because no 2 people think alike. This is the whole point of having online forums. This IS NOT the place to become a better christian. The place to become a better christian is in the privacy of your own room, knelt down in the presence of God, and praying to HIm day after day to help you become a better christian. The place to better understand the Bible perhaps is at a local Bible study group, or with some adecuate study tools. You shouldn't try substituting these things with an online forum. This is not what its for. It's only gonna frustrate you and lead you to say obnoxious comments like that whole "dust off my sandals" thing.

You're gonna have to learn to relax, whether online or in person, with people who don't think like you considering there's no one in the world who does. You can't live high on your own opinion. If you really want to learn to be a better christian, begin with being more humble. Learn how to interact and address others, especially those you most disagree with. And understand the nature of a forum like this.

SO sit back, ask a question, see what others think. Interact, make friends, have a good time. Ever wondered if Adam had a belly button? Or if there were penguins on Noah's ark? Enjoy the forum for what it is. Don't attack it for what it's not. GOd bless.

Adstar · Aug 5, 2010

Jo-Nathan said:
i just started on this forum yesterday night been reading and posting quite a lot but not seen all of the post, but have read many post with questionable statements that are quite vain, baseless, scriptural, or out of context. note that i do not know all about the Bible or about God, but it troubles me that for what little i do know in my young age in life and in Christ, that many statements on this forum have nothing to do with Christ Jesus or the Cross, but about mythos, and have nothing to do with what we should be studying.
what salvation can be gained from trying to figure out what happened before Genesis?
others saying there were other men created before adam and adam was made on the 8th day, for if there was another adam, should not his seed be sinless and make Jesus of none effect?
this question i just asked if believed of other adams is it not making the God of Truth a liar and a deceiver? is this not Blasphemy? Proverbs 8:6-7
i came to this forum for the like mindness for God in others not to see many brothers and sisters in Christ worrying about the things that are vain and will not bring them salvation.
speaking of these things and someone weak in faith comes along and reads them and is lead astray is not these children's blood on their hand's? "these strong in faith eating the meat sacrificed unto idols, knowing they are nothing, should they not abstain lest those of weak in faith see them and stumble?"

i have not read much here in this forum that has helped me become a better Christian or understand the Bible.
Please show me that i am wrong and that most of you are not like those who look for these myths, and rebuke those speaking of such things that corrupt.
please don't send me away or force me to leave for i would liken it to dusting off my sandals.

in our Lord Jesus Christ name amen.
Isaiah 66:4 Matthew 4:10 John 6:27 Matthew 24:4-6

This is an open internet forum. Therefore we get a lot of people coming in here with a lot of very questionable teachings. The moderating on this forum is very, umm... open to theories.

I must ask you What have you given to contribute and shed light on the Gospel ? You talk of walking away and dusting your sandals, Do you know that is a very serious thing any messenger of God could ever do to a group of people? Have you read the bible where it reveals this act.

Matthew 10
11 “Now whatever city or town you enter, inquire who in it is worthy, and stay there till you go out. 12 And when you go into a household, greet it. 13 If the household is worthy, let your peace come upon it. But if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you. 14 And whoever will not receive you nor hear your words, when you depart from that house or city, shake off the dust from your feet. 15 Assuredly, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city!

So after one post and not giving any message about the Gospel at all. Your already talking about dusting of your sandals and leaving?

Now there are posters in here that have very questionable theories and i will not even bother reading their posts, And they post a lot. But i will not abandon the genuine seekers to the wolves.

All Praise The Ancient Of Days

Jonathan · Aug 5, 2010

Thank you both for your replies you are the ones and others like you that keep me here
But know that I did not mean to come off as to seem a brat I know context falls off on forums but please reread my comment in the context of love and not self-rightious. Your replies are the ones I hoped for and again thank you and God bless.

evanom · Aug 5, 2010

Jo-Nathan said:
Thank you both for your replies you are the ones and others like you that keep me here
But know that I did not mean to come off as to seem a brat I know context falls off on forums but please reread my comment in the context of love and not self-rightious. Your replies are the ones I hoped for and again thank you and God bless.

Good. The reason I said those things is because i totally relate to your feelings and frustrations. Your first post was basically my own philosophy some years ago when i first started my walk with God. One day God pulled me by the ear and said "I teach you things to share and grow.... not to boast and accuse" (all this figuratively speaking of course).

So i have learned to relax, sometimes the hard way. I still have to keep myself in check, though, cause i have a nature to enter into debates and arguments. Thats my weakness. Read the bible and you see that the apostles taught and preached, they didnt debate.

I still get frustrated and stuff, even hot headed; but you learn how to handle, react and respond in such situations. I see it happen to 99% of christians. It's part of growing up after being born again. It's part of the process.

ANyhow, welcome aboard!

Grat · Aug 6, 2010

evanom said:
Good. The reason I said those things is because i totally relate to your feelings and frustrations. Your first post was basically my own philosophy some years ago when i first started my walk with God. One day God pulled me by the ear and said "I teach you things to share and grow.... not to boast and accuse" (all this figuratively speaking of course).

So i have learned to relax, sometimes the hard way. I still have to keep myself in check, though, cause i have a nature to enter into debates and arguments. Thats my weakness. Read the bible and you see that the apostles taught and preached, they didnt debate.

I still get frustrated and stuff, even hot headed; but you learn how to handle, react and respond in such situations. I see it happen to 99% of christians. It's part of growing up after being born again. It's part of the process.

ANyhow, welcome aboard!

Striving against God is like hitting your head against a brick wall. The best thing about it is how good you feel when you finally stop. B)

Grat

Paul · Aug 6, 2010

Jo-Nathan said:
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what salvation can be gained from trying to figure out what happened before Genesis?
others saying there were other men created before adam and adam was made on the 8th day, for if there was another adam, should not his seed be sinless and make Jesus of none effect?
this question i just asked if believed of other adams is it not making the God of Truth a liar and a deceiver? is this not Blasphemy? Proverbs 8:6-7
...

i have not read much here in this forum that has helped me become a better Christian or understand the Bible.
Please show me that i am wrong and that most of you are not like those who look for these myths, and rebuke those speaking of such things that corrupt.
please don't send me away or force me to leave for i would liken it to dusting off my sandals.

in our Lord Jesus Christ name amen.
Isaiah 66:4 Matthew 4:10 John 6:27 Matthew 24:4-6

Jo-Nathan, it is the popular stand that the Genesis 2 account of creation is a repeat of the Genesis 1 account. If you study the two accounts, especially in the Hebrew you will discover that they are talking about two different events. There are a number of topics on this forum documenting this fact.

Why is it important? If you do not know the beginning, you will never understand the end.

Adstar said:
This is an open internet forum. Therefore we get a lot of people coming in here with a lot of very questionable teachings. The moderating on this forum is very, umm... open to theories.

…

Now there are posters in here that have very questionable theories and i will not even bother reading their posts, And they post a lot. But i will not abandon the genuine seekers to the wolves.

All Praise The Ancient Of Days

Adstar, there is some questionable theology on this forum. There is also a button at the bottom of each post that can be used to call questionable posts to the attention of staff. Feel free to use it whenever you want to call a post to our attention that is why the button is there.

HammerStone · Aug 6, 2010

Jo-Nathan, I'd like to point out that your post perhaps illustrated your own point more than you think.

I have to admit I came away with a picture of a very condescending Christian after reading your post. It's also very similar to the opening salvos I've heard numerous times before both here on the forum and even abroad in the "real world." However, both from your subsequent posts and simply knowing better, it's clear your post was not intended to be derogatory. Yet others came away with the same feeling as me - that's documented above. We had one picture from your words which was totally different from the one you desired to project.

Seeing the big picture here yet?

You wrote those words knowing perfectly well what they meant, but then we came along and found something polar-opposite in them.

Welcome to humanity. I think we all agree that God gave us a really special letter (aka Bible) and even threw in a free guide (the Holy Spirit) to lead us along yet we still all manage to get things wrong. I don't think anything illustrates this more clearly than the parables that Christ used in his ministry while on Earth. Even the disciples did not get them at times, or maybe only gleaned a partial lesson from them. Think about how many times Jesus would later explain what he meant in private because they just didn't get it. They all were rebuked and many times did not understand yet they went on to lay the bedrock of the greatest salvational plan in history.

I think sometimes we burden ourselves with expectations that everything will be 100% clear and harmony always found. That's just not the case; it's not so much trying to find like minds as it is realizing that we're going to see things differently and even focus on other topics because we are lead down certain paths. (I Corinthians 12:27-31) Salvation is an integral topic indeed, but salvation is not the central topic of the Bible. I know I discuss and/or debate these issues not to determine salvation, but to study the Word of God which is rich beyond repute when it comes to history and the love of an Almighty Creator. Am I going to pass judgment on Joe because he believes a few wrong bites of an apple by the very first man created on the 6th day? Likewise, I expect Joe not to pass judgment on me because I see something different in Scripture. We can both claim all day that we are on God's side with some degree of veracity. Yet if I pass up the fellowship with Joe, I might miss out on another half dozen areas where we agree almost whole-heartedly. I've seen it happen over and over again, and I'll confess I've been on both sides of it. (That's not to say that there aren't certain fundamentals (IE: the deity of Christ, etc.) where we must draw a line.)

Colossians 2:16 is one of my favorite verses because it illustrates this point. If that person truly believes eating a type of meat (or abstaining from it) glorifies God, then we don't waste the time telling him that he's wrong or so on. Just because someone else sees a different narrative does not make them less Christian or them wrong and you right (a rhetorical you, not a personal you). I think when we step outside the comfort zone of everyone holding the same or extremely similar views, we begin to understand that a relationship with God is a personal one that might come different for each person. There's nothing wrong with discussing and debating; it's just unfortunate that many cannot handle the disagreement and resort to insults or other unChristian tactics. Unfortunately this dissent does seem to be the majority, but such is the result of the human side of the equation when you get a God that loves you that much.

Grat · Aug 6, 2010

HammerStone said:
....I think sometimes we burden ourselves with expectations that everything will be 100% clear and harmony always found. That's just not the case; it's not so much trying to find like minds as it is realizing that we're going to see things differently and even focus on other topics because we are lead down certain paths. (I Corinthians 12:27-31) Salvation is an integral topic indeed, but salvation is not the central topic of the Bible. I know I discuss and/or debate these issues not to determine salvation, but to study the Word of God which is rich beyond repute when it comes to history and the love of an Almighty Creator. Am I going to pass judgment on Joe because he believes a few wrong bites of an apple by the very first man created on the 6th day? Likewise, I expect Joe not to pass judgment on me because I see something different in Scripture. We can both claim all day that we are on God's side with some degree of veracity. Yet if I pass up the fellowship with Joe, I might miss out on another half dozen areas where we agree almost whole-heartedly. I've seen it happen over and over again, and I'll confess I've been on both sides of it. (That's not to say that there aren't certain fundamentals (IE: the deity of Christ, etc.) where we must draw a line.)

Colossians 2:16 is one of my favorite verses because it illustrates this point. If that person truly believes eating a type of meat (or abstaining from it) glorifies God, then we don't waste the time telling him that he's wrong or so on. Just because someone else sees a different narrative does not make them less Christian or them wrong and you right (a rhetorical you, not a personal you). I think when we step outside the comfort zone of everyone holding the same or extremely similar views, we begin to understand that a relationship with God is a personal one that might come different for each person. There's nothing wrong with discussing and debating; it's just unfortunate that many cannot handle the disagreement and resort to insults or other unChristian tactics. Unfortunately this dissent does seem to be the majority, but such is the result of the human side of the equation when you get a God that loves you that much.

Well said

Grat

Adstar · Aug 8, 2010

Jo-Nathan said:
Thank you both for your replies you are the ones and others like you that keep me here
But know that I did not mean to come off as to seem a brat I know context falls off on forums but please reread my comment in the context of love and not self-rightious. Your replies are the ones I hoped for and again thank you and God bless.

On forums what you say is very important because you can never just rely on your intent to come through and boost your message, because no one can see your intent on a words based forum and no one can see your body language or the sound or the calm sound of your voice. All we have is Words here.

Over the years i have become used to being outnumbered and alone with Jesus in forums. Although it would be great to take part in a forum were only true Christians had fellowship in love, i do not believe such a forum exists. If you are true to the Word of God you will be in a minority and you will be hated by most men. I am here and in other forums for that expectation of the genuine seeker and the meek one who will hear and believe Jesus and i know the joy of that will far out way the hurt and heart ache of the rejection of the Love of the Truth i see every day.

All Praise The Ancient Of Days

Jonathan · Aug 8, 2010

again thank you for your posts it has put this forum in a better light for me.

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