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  1. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    Paul was telling this to Gentiles in Rome and elsewhere in the Roman empire. His point is that being a child of God, regardless of being male or female, and regardless of ethnicity, is through faith in Christ Jesus. Being of the seed of Abraham is for anyone. All you need to do is have faith...
  2. Runningman

    Limited atonement is a false gospel

    You're totally right that Jesus said he will lose none. Totally right. After that, Judas was lost. We know this much. As far as elected to service, I don't think election to service is related to the eternal life Jesus says he gives to those who are given to him. I also think the election to...
  3. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    Yet we still have the Bible explicitly stating that salvation is offered to all. John 3 16For God so loved the world that He gave His one and onlye Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world...
  4. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    Jesus gives eternal life to those who are given to him and Judas was given to him and lost. Limited atonement isn't compatible with Scripture. John 17 3Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent. 9I ask on their behalf. I do not ask...
  5. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    Which verse says that.
  6. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    He said "if he finds it" (the sheep) so what does that mean to you since quoting it verbatim from the Bible seems to be offensive to you. If doesn't suggest a condition?
  7. Runningman

    Limited atonement is a false gospel

    Jesus didn't make any such distinction did he? I am not aware of any examples.
  8. Runningman

    Limited atonement is a false gospel

    Why should I not mix the verse about Judas being given to Jesus with the verse about Jesus giving eternal life to those given to him?
  9. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    That's Jesus' teaching. I am not shocked you would call his teachings blasphemy. I am simply repeating what he said. Are you sure you are on the right side?
  10. Runningman

    Limited atonement is a false gospel

    Yes, but also elected to salvation. Jesus said he gives eternal life to those God gives him. John 6 70Jesus answered them, “Have I not chosen you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is a devil!” John 17 2For You granted Him authority over all people, so that He may give eternal life to all those You...
  11. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    It's right here: Matthew 18 12What do you think? If a man has a hundred sheep and one of them goes astray, will he not leave the ninety-nine on the hills and go out to search for the one that is lost? 13And if he finds it, truly I tell you, he rejoices more over that one sheep than over the...
  12. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    Matthew 18 12What do you think? If a man has a hundred sheep and one of them goes astray, will he not leave the ninety-nine on the hills and go out to search for the one that is lost? 13And if he finds it, truly I tell you, he rejoices more over that one sheep than over the ninety-nine that did...
  13. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    No you're blinded to the truth. You couldn't quote a single verse or passage about limited atonement if your life depended on it.
  14. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    You accuse Jesus of blasphemy because his teachings are not compatible with your religion?
  15. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    Yes, but Jesus' power is conditional on belief. So it's still possible a sheep can be lost and never recovered due to a lack of belief (apostasy) Matthew 13 58And He did not do many miracles there, because of their unbelief.
  16. Runningman

    Limited atonement is a false gospel

    "Born again" necessitates a first death. When did one die and can they die more than once? Can they be born again a second, third, fourth time, etc, if the first birth wasn't sufficient?
  17. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    You haven't proved limited atonement. Nothing in the Bible talks about what your claims are. The Bible is explicit about what I have said.
  18. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    He said "if he finds it" meaning this is a conditional statement. Therefore it's possible that sheep who go astray may not be found.
  19. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    Limited atonement is in tatters at this point. I think we are just trying to figure out where to sweep the pieces to.
  20. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    According to the good shepherd, sheep can can astray and possibly not be found again. The Father doesn't want this, but Jesus teaches it's possible to still perish by committing apostasy. That's what happened to Judas. Matthew 18 12What do you think? If a man has a hundred sheep and one of them...