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  1. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    Yes I can. Judas had miraculous powers because he was a believer. This is explicit in Scripture. Mark 16 17And these signs will accompany those who believe: In My name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; Matthew 10 1And calling His twelve disciples to Him, Jesus gave...
  2. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    Jesus told Judas directly to his face that he will have eternal life. He lost his salvation. Matthew 19 27“Look,” Peter replied, “we have left everything to follow You. What then will there be for us?” 28Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, in the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man...
  3. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    You're right. I brought it up earlier in the thread and some interest was shown, but no one directly commented on how it works with limited atonement. I can't find anything from John Calvin ever directly explaining how Judas works out with limited atonement either. There is a powerful argument...
  4. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    The existence of Judas having been chosen, directly promised eternal life, and then lost creates a plausibility issue for your gospel.
  5. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    Good point, but when precisely is salvation obtained? I believe there can be the promise of the guarantee of it now, but the Bible also speaks of eternal life as something that comes in the future, post judgement. Why would God give people eternal life and then judge them? I believe God judges...
  6. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    Christ died for all in the world, but the sin sacrifice is not accessed except for by faith. Trust God that His sinless human messiah was an acceptable sacrifice to atone for sins. Not everyone believes that, but everyone can believe that if they want. They can also choose to stop believing it...
  7. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    The Bible doesn't use explicit language about salvation either being "universally applicable" or "limited atonement" but it is described repeatedly as conditional and something that can be potentially lost.
  8. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    Your god is powerless to do anything to save anyone if the gospel is "you must believe in limited atonement." You have a fake god and nothing will happen to me. I will be resurrected for believing in the true gospel. You'll have nothing but shame.
  9. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    I've been a good sport and have afforded you every opportunity to prove your beliefs using the Bible. At the beginning I even considered if I wanted to believe in limited atonement and looked for reasons to because I've never studied it. The more I kept studying, the more I realized it's just a...
  10. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    For someone who seems so zealous to promote your cult's version of salvation, you have done an absolutely fantastic job of repulsing everyone to it. How does it feel to take the stage and get booed out? You started a debate on it and seem unwilling to engage in actual debate. You've just been...
  11. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    How? Acts 11:18 When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, “Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance unto life.
  12. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    Makes sense. I believe that Jesus' atoning sin sacrifice is available for the world, but not necessarily accessed by all. I believe this is a satisfactory explanation of Jesus' sacrifice that doesn't necessitate universal salvation. There are probably some other factors influencing the Reformed...
  13. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    I think I am beginning to see what your issue is. It's just that you are using a non sequitur or begging the question by making an assumption that is not stated in scripture to bridge the gap between your philosophy on salvation and what Scripture explicitly states. The issue is that Matthew...
  14. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    The limited atonement doctrine was never found in the mouth of the Father, His son, the prophets, the apostles, or anyone else in the Bible. So it doesn't come from God. Stating limited atonement is what the gospel is, attaching Bible verses to it, calling someone "God" and "Jesus" like I do...
  15. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    At this point I know you don't have the same God as I do. So I have no fear whatever you say.
  16. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    Your god is impotent to show mercy or do anything in regards to salvation. Nothing happens. The world of Christendom shall rise against you.
  17. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    I could only pray we could have a Moses versus Pharaoh event and put this to rest, but I have a feeling that won't happen any time soon. You are the type who won't learn anything until you have a personal great tribulation. May God have mercy on you.
  18. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    Normally it takes a while for someone to run out of excuses before the denials begin. It's up to you. It's between you and God at this point.
  19. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    To not quote entire chapters that either explain, describe, or by example show how salvation from sin is obtained, I only quote a couple of select texts. On the other hand, there are no at-length discussions in the Bible about limited atonement in the Bible. This is the difference between...
  20. Runningman

    Jesus as God

    Sorry, but this is either a strawman argument or you meant to reply to someone else. My comment was very simple. I didn't make any claims regarding any number of manuscripts. I did not make any attempts at textual criticism. I also didn't mention variations in the manuscripts.