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The day is not the rapture.

The times were normal for those who didn't know the flood was coming. They were the ones swept away. Times were definitely not normal for Noah. Times were normal for the people of Sodom, but not for Lot. If you think they were, I feel bad for anyone who visits your house.

Neither of them were raptured. Noah knew about the flood in advance and built and ark to withstand it. Times weren't normal for Lot, either.

Once again, Noah and his family were left, not taken. It was the wicked who were taken. You're either reading with the assumption that your doctrine is correct (which, by using it as an argument in support of said doctrine, is circular reasoning) or your reading comprehension abilities are less...

Verse 37 refers to those who are taken. Being "taken" here is not what you think and certainly isn't a good thing. Noah wasn't taken. He was left. Those on the ark were the only ones left after the flood. Matthew 24:38-39 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and...

Scripture says otherwise.

I asked where it said that the unknown day and hour was at the beginning of the tribulation. The verses you posted seem to say the exact opposite.

So the day and hour that Jesus was speaking of is where the tribulation begins?

This is another problem. Should we (Christians) reach out to the Jews? Of course not! They'll all get saved after the rapture! I've actually heard people take this position. It's a symptom of a much more serious problem.

It's interesting how some posters here will demand that others provide scripture to support a view in one thread, but when asked in another thread to do the same thing, they refuse. Luke 9:23-24 Then he said to them all: “If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his...

Mark 13:12-13 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death. And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Matt 24:29-31 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the...

Read this again. Take off your rapture filter and read what the Bible says. The pretrib rapture isn't there.

No. Our main argument is that the pretribulation rapture is a lie. Everything else is secondary to that.

Most of the rapture threads on this board are started by pretribbers. This thread exists in response to the slew of others where pretribbers have constantly been taking scripture out of context to try and prove their doctrine. We're simply defending what the Bible says against what you want it...

The burden of proof is on your side.

Matthew 24:29-31 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all...

No. The discussion was about a pretribulation rapture. Nowhere in the passage of scripture you used to defend this pretribulation rapture does it say that the elect are gathered before the tribulation. You were called out on this, so now you're whining that we're being judgmental. If you...

You're using the passage to support the doctrine of a pretribulation rapture when there's nothing in the text to support the event happening before the tribulation.

So basically it's imminent, but because certain things have to happen first, it's not imminent? When this doctrine proves false (it's not like scripture hasn't done this already...), how many do you think are going have serious doubts about their salvation? What happens when someone then comes...