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No, I only need to define Israel as it was defined from Sinai onward. And in the post I made, I let it define who Israel is and it is quite clear that is has nothing to do with some spiritual semantics. It stated clearly who Israel is... the both Judah and Ephraim.. Judah and Israel... all the...

So what is your overall point? Even the story of the rich man and Lazarus, when the rich man was suffering in hades and wanted Abraham to send Lazarus to his household to warn them, Abraham told him that they had Moses and the Prophets. Well, same thing. If we are all out of here, those that...

How do you know they didn't want to be raptured early? Paul himself said.... 2 Corinthians 5:8 We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord. I kind of get the idea from that he would have preferred hopping that train out of here if it...

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Agree. But he was making the point that the only real Israel is those who believe. And all the others of the Hebrews are not Israel because they don't believe. Those are now gentiles. So that I why I posted those passages. There indeed remains a segregated Israel that is still in unbelief...

Ok. I misread your meaning in your previous post. My bad.

Whoever did that map, they got Dan in the wrong place. It is common knowledge in Archeology that Dan was located in the Golan Heights region that borders Syria now.

So the 12 tribes are either believers or they are disbarred and are now gentiles. Ok.... when did believing Israel reject Messiah and how is it, if they are redeemed, do they have to acknowledge that rejection before He will return? Hosea 5:14-15 For I will be like a lion to Ephraim, And...

Does that mean they also will be in their eternal bodies and no more mortality?

And you are showing your limited knowledge of the subject. In many instances in 2 Chronicles, many from the northern tribes migrated south and joined with Judah as the northern kingdom went from bad to worse. Even over 100 years after the Assyrian conquest of the northern kingdom, a call went...

No, you are misguided. I never said they have a salvation unto themselves. Salvation of the individual is only thru Messiah. But the covenants made with Israel, and their election, is on a corporate level and has nothing to do with salvation of the individual. And that belies the problem...

That passage doesn't even come close to supporting the assertion you are making. the very same guy who wrote that also wrote this, and when he did, he was clearly delineating between the body of Messiah and physical, literal Hebrews.... Romans 11:28-29 Concerning the gospel they are enemies...

I would disagree in that, as you are replacing one group with another or at a minimum, merging the two. The Covenant with the Hebrew people was a corporate Covenant. The Covenant with the believers is individually. The New Covenant is with the same corporate Hebrew people as the Sinai...

Might want to go back and study Isaiah 65, Zechariah 14, Psalms 2, etc if you think there is no more sin or death in the Messianic Kingdom. And the kingdom parables of Matthew 13 also paint the same picture. And the rebellion of the nations in Revelation 20 is after the 1000 years of the...

Nope. Assertion has no merit since it doesn’t meet the evidentiary requirement of the scripture. I told you what that requirement is. I just love it how the Lord provided a check and balance method. Since I started using it, far easier to sort truth from fiction. And if an assertion doesn’t...

I don't worry about it. Not in my pay grade to keep track of them. I really don't care to interfere with something that is the Lord's problem and not mine. His word is on the line. Either He lied in those verses I posted or He will see it come to pass. But based on your response, I would...

Would you then please explain how, if we as believers are the only Israel that counts, did we then also reject Yeshua and have to acknowledge that rejection before He will return? Hosea 5:14 - 6:2 For I will be like a lion to Ephraim, And like a young lion to the house of Judah. I, even I, will...

What is the purpose of the question? I see no relevance to the discussion or anything I posted.

Initially that would be true to some extent. But there are the 144,000 that are not so buffaloed for starters. And Hosea 5 and 6 is quite clear, and Yeshua confirms Hosea in Mattew 23 (meeting the two witness requirement of the Torah) that He will not return until the corporate identity of...

Ok. I will listen to that line of thinking, but only if you can provide ample documentary support for that from the OT. The Biblical standard laid out in scripture (Torah) is that for any matter to be established, it must have the confirmation of two or more witnesses. The Bereans in Acts 17...