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  1. Copperhead

    Rapture Top Dogs Admit no Proof Exists.

    I don't believe so, as being redeemed by its very nature means passed from death to life. There is no condemnation for those in Yeshua. The one who is part of the body doesn't face the GWT. The GWT is a prosecutorial judgement. The believer does face a judgment, but it is on rewards for...
  2. Copperhead

    Rapture Top Dogs Admit no Proof Exists.

    You have appealed to all sorts of imaginings of man and even hinted at conspiracy theories iregarding the 10 lost tribe stuff. Even after I showed scripturally 8 of the tribes specifically mentioned as being commingled and references to all Israel being represented. As for my assertion about...
  3. Copperhead

    Rapture Top Dogs Admit no Proof Exists.

    And Paul also called himself and Israelite and that all Israel were his brethren. Romans 9:3-4 For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my countrymen according to the flesh, 4 who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the...
  4. Copperhead

    Rapture Top Dogs Admit no Proof Exists.

    Except if one also includes the archeological records that have been found, King Sargon of Assyria only deported about 28,000 of the northern kingdom when He conquered it. Along with 50 chariots. And there has always been a Hebrew presence in Samaria (area of the northern kingdom). Likewise...
  5. Copperhead

    Rapture Top Dogs Admit no Proof Exists.

    I believe the context in Isaiah is the future Babylonian exile. The chapter talks about both Israel and Judah coming back. As the passages in Ezra and Nehemiah show, that did happen.
  6. Copperhead

    Rapture Top Dogs Admit no Proof Exists.

    Not sure any human derived historical "facts" can supersede 2 Chronicles, Ezra, and Nehemiah in my perception. And one really doesn't have to denigrate the British Israelite concept. It denigrates itself by avoidance of the evidence in scripture. Nehemiah 9:1-2 Now on the twenty-fourth day...
  7. Copperhead

    Rapture Top Dogs Admit no Proof Exists.

    Yeah, it still hangs on. It even has a few variants of it that keep clinging on.
  8. Copperhead

    Rapture Top Dogs Admit no Proof Exists.

    Why not? Being a Pharisee was just the equivalent of a Rabbinical leader. Don't confuse Pharisee with priests, which only Levites could be.
  9. Copperhead

    Rapture Top Dogs Admit no Proof Exists.

    But that doesn't make the nations the tribes of Israel as many promote. And there is also the house of Judah scattered as well. Folks get all tied up in the 2 house stuff that leads to all sorts of wild ideas. Keep in mind, the scripture also says in some places that Jacob (both houses)...
  10. Copperhead

    Rapture Top Dogs Admit no Proof Exists.

    Some do buy into that, just like some Christians do. But there are many who don't, especially in the Messianic Jewish community. That group tends to hold to a similar view that the tribes were commingled in 2 Chronicles and remained so thru the Babylonian exile, thru the Greek and Roman...
  11. Copperhead

    Rapture Top Dogs Admit no Proof Exists.

    The those from the northern tribes that migrated southward is shown via several occurrences in 2 Chronicles. Before the Babylonian exile all the tribes had been commingled. Likewise, when they came out of Babylon they were still commingled. That is why they were referred to as both Jews and...
  12. Copperhead

    Rapture Top Dogs Admit no Proof Exists.

    But the Noahic Covenant and the Abrahamic covenant were never part of the Sinai Covenant which never affected them. The covenant to never again destroy the earth by a flood is still in effect. Rainbow was out the other day after a shower, so I know the covenant is still in effect. And the...
  13. Copperhead

    Rapture Top Dogs Admit no Proof Exists.

    Revisionist history? The preterists have real lock on that regarding dating of Revelation. If there ever was revisionist history, that is it. Ireaneous, a disciple of Polycarp, who was a disciple of John the Apostle stated categorically that Revelation was written during the time of the...
  14. Copperhead

    Rapture Top Dogs Admit no Proof Exists.

    Prove it wrong. Prove that Ezra didn't call the returning remnant of his Jews 9 times and Israel 40 times. If they are only the two tribes you mention, why then are they called all Israel? Prove it wrong. Prove that Nehemiah didn't call the returning remanant of his Jews 11 times and Israel...
  15. Copperhead

    Rapture Top Dogs Admit no Proof Exists.

    That is true. But the covenant with Israel was a national, earthly covenant. The covenant the redeemed are a part of is not in the same league. Jeremiah 31:31-32 Behold, days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah...
  16. Copperhead

    Rapture Top Dogs Admit no Proof Exists.

    Really? When was the Davidic covenant given before the Torah? Seems that it was given in 2 Samuel 7, which as best I can tell, was a considerable time after the Torah was given. I wouldn't go jumping too fast before getting your facts straight. It weakens your case.
  17. Copperhead

    Rapture Top Dogs Admit no Proof Exists.

    Let's see, rapturists say that the redeemed are removed or depart and are gathered with the Lord before the revealing of the antichrist and subsequent tribulation period begins. Sounds surprisingly similar to Paul's 2nd letter to the Thessalonians. 2 Thessalonians 2:3 (1599 Geneva Bible) Let...
  18. Copperhead

    Rapture Top Dogs Admit no Proof Exists.

    Nah. New body! Old corruptible skin will be changed to incorruptible skin. Did you not read Paul? And what of all those believers over the centuries that never faced persecution or harm? Are they somehow not eligible for anything since they didn't have to endure what, say, the brothers and...
  19. Copperhead

    Rapture Top Dogs Admit no Proof Exists.

    The implication of the righteous being removed and hidden where the Lord is is all thru the scripture. Psalms 27:5, Isaiah 26:19-21 which seems to be that passage Yeshua had in mind in John 14:1-3 and Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18. And many places that reference the "birth pains" or "labor...
  20. Copperhead

    Rapture Top Dogs Admit no Proof Exists.

    Oh wise one who is up on all things.... 2 Thessalonians 2:3 (1599 Geneva Bible) Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a departing first, and that that man of sin be disclosed, even the son of perdition. Virtually every translation prior to the KJV...