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I'm sorry about that Joseph. It isn't my intention for the premise to change. I didn't think the other information was relevant initially because I never had the thought from the perspective that you were coming from - and it's only as we have conversation that I see other aspects that may be...

Sorry - I thought I had. No - not at the time of their relationship, but Yes - they had been with others prior. As such - can you please advise if that would make them living in Adultery in your view instead - since they are already 'made one' and bound to another? We weren't made aware of it...

Thank you so much @Funny bird - what an incredible perspective to look at it that I hadn't considered. I admit - we never went with the intentions that I was out to condemn them in judgement. Our focus was on God first, and being obedient to Him through what was a challenging situation. Our...

I think get what you're saying. Your saying that the act then forms marriage? So - what do we do with 1 Cor 5:11. There's no such thing as fornication with that view? Instead people are married with the first act, and sex with anyone else then falls into adultery, not fornication wouldn't it...

OK - I think I'm understanding you more... Are you saying that them eventually getting engaged, and then married is evidence of their commitment and as such - at that point it was wrong for us to 'not eat with them', and 1 Cor 5:11 didn't apply? That them moving in together and sleeping...

Hi Joseph77, Thanks for your patience with me - I think I get where you're coming from. Are you're saying that they may not need to get married legally - because marriage today is a government contract and outside the scope of scripture - and what matters is what they do before God, and not the...

Thanks for your reply Joseph77... On the contrary my parents were against what we were doing and discouraged us. So were the ministers in the church I grew up in - including the senior pastor, but they came to me with logic - not with scripture which I couldn't get past. I could justify my own...

Are you saying that I shouldn't have been truthful to them about the reasons why I was attending and instead give them another reason so it doesn't hit as hard? I appreciate your input, and I'm looking for clarification where I could have improved - but I don't believe being dishonest is the...

Good point. We're told not to judge others, but then we're told to judge others (or see examples where others were judged in the bible). I don't want to derail this thread - as this thread is primarily about at what point to we discern someone as being a false teacher as opposed to being...

... And here's where the rubber hit the road: Two friends of my wife and I (one who was a junior leader in a youth ministry of the church) decided to date. During that time that person through other reasons stepped down from being a leader - but still attended church and was a role model for...

JUDGE NOT I raise this topic, not looking to preach - but looking for answers, and would love comment on where I am wrong, or what I'm missing, or what I could have done better in the scenario below. Matt 7:1-5 says I have heard this verse used many time to say that we shouldn't judge ever...

Thanks Enoch111. This to me gets to the crux of the issue. Some claim that cessationists are false teaches. Others that arminianism is - that calvanism is correct. Is there a point between genuine born again Christians being mistaken, vs blatant false teachers that will lead astray - and how...

Thanks Enoch. Good point in that not all miracles were recorded. It would have been amazing in those times to have wittenessed all that occurred - although even more amazing to have been there when Jesus was ministering! Thanks so much for that reference. Again thanks so much for the patience...

Hi @Anthony D'Arienzo and @Enoch111 Thanks again for your responses. You have some very compelling arguments that I have been considering. One thing I am hoping you could help me with - how do you know which gifts are sign gifts, and which ones are not? When I look at scripture that talks...

To answer your question directly - I am convinced that the bible is the word of God. I am convinced that it speaks truth. I am not convinced that I have a full understanding on it and that my convictions of scripture are correctly understood, so I am willing to hear others out that disagree with...

This question is inspired by @Joseph77, when he asked me in Genuine Questions for Cessationist's I will answer your question in the next post - but what I am keen to hear from you (and others) is the topic of this thread: I think it's a good question that needs further consideration. What is...

@mjrhealth - are you saying that those who Jesus said "I never knew you" towards are actually born again? That doesn't fit right with me. Is there any reference in the bible where Jesus will cast away those who are born again to back up what you say? (The verse you state above does not state...

@Enoch111 @Anthony D'Arienzo (I asked here because I didn't want to derail the other thread) - and I am so sorry if I'm being a bit thick regarding this, but was just wondering if you would please be able to share your thoughts on the two questions above.

Hi Joseph, The reason for asking is to find out what they really believe from themselves... not what I or others claim they believe. I believe there is value in investigating and giving time to hear other people out - who genuinely love God. Already it's been fruitful for me. From what I have...

Or they could include people who are Charlatans, false prophets and wolves in sheep's clothing out there for fame and money who currently have no fear of God because they don't really believe He exists, they have just talked the talk because it serves them presently - that suddenly find...