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    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    Let's not get sidetracked. We're talking about THE great tribulation, and you said Matthew 24 was it and it's not because it and Luke parallel passages are the same tribulation event and that's the seige of Jerusalem in 70 A.D.
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    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    Then it's the same tribulation that's found in the parallel passages of Luke 21 which clearly states Jerusalem and is contrary to your previous statement. This is discussing the fall of Jerusalem in 70 A.D, and in the parallel passages of Mark 13, it's referred to as affliction, suffering...
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    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    Is the tribulation you're speaking of the one that's spoken of in Matthew 24? And initially, since I typically read from the kjv, I simply looked at the verbiage therein which never refers to 'THE great tribulation', but only "great tribulation". Personally, I think the kjvis right in case.
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    Infant Baptism is not given in scripture.

    Does the word 'cat' have a specific meaning? Likewise, does the word 'dog' have a specific meaning? If someone used the word cat to reference a dog, would that be OK? Could someone, cuz they felt like it, say the words cat and dog now mean the same thing? Well, there you go. That's what someone...
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    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    You are also assuming rev 7 relates to a future yet to happen event and not a near term event that the 7 churches of Asia, to whom this was written, could relate to. You are also assuming Rev was written after 70AD. There was great tribulation at the time of the seige and fall of Jerusalem in...
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    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    Not all translations include the word "the", such as the KJV. In fact in the interlinear includes the word "the", but not the word "great". KJV 14And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and...
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    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    What exactly is  "the tribulation"? The bible speaks about "tribulation", not "the tribulation", which infers a specific one, so, what is THE tribulation?
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    Infant Baptism is not given in scripture.

    Baptism. Baptism is transliterated from the Greek, baptizo, not translated, and means to dip, plunge, immerse. It is not interchangeable with pour or sprinkle which are two distinctly different words: chynon=sprinkle, paspalízo=pouring You cannot pour or sprinkle water on a person and say...
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    Infant Baptism is not given in scripture.

    Good! Goodbye. Go read some hogwash written by one of your cherished Apostolic Fathers. (They ain't my Fathers)
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    Infant Baptism is not given in scripture.

    If they were truly students of the apostles, then they wouldn't have changed what the apostles taught, which was done. The apostles were students of Christ: did they change in any way what the Lord taught them?
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    I have my doubts that Catholicism is Christianity

    I believe in the bible only. Osas not. Never said or inferred I did.
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    I have my doubts that Catholicism is Christianity

    Its absolutely mind boggling that one could believe the apparition nonsense, but it plays to their home base of believers in a phoney religion.
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    I have my doubts that Catholicism is Christianity

    Having a good heart is not a free pass or get out of jail card. God does not waver or change his rules. If anyone thinks God will overlook things because someone has a "good heart", they are sadly mistaken. That's what the devil would like you to believe. "Few there be that find it". FEW!
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    I have my doubts that Catholicism is Christianity

    If you sprinkle or pour water on unbelieving individuals, they're not saved, and if not saved, not Christians. And when you multiply that error across multitudes, you have a very large group of non-Christians who unfortunately, claim otherwise.
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    Infant Baptism is not given in scripture.

    Yes, don't listen to the cousin of the uncle of the brother of the friend of one of the apostles. Listen only to the original as recorded in scripture.
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    Infant Baptism is not given in scripture.

    It's no theory, that's what the scriptures say, which we can't enhance or augment as you're suggesting. You do know there were other apostles right, besides Matthias who replaced Judas, and Paul? Barnabas and Apollos. The Bible does say Barnabas and Saul (Paul) were, set apart, called out by God...
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    Infant Baptism is not given in scripture.

    And in your response (don't know if that's your belief or not), therein lies the problem which is unscriptural as well as makes no sense. If infants don't know right from wrong, how could they have transgressed and be guilty of sin?? So, why would they need their sins washed away by baptism...
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    Infant Baptism is not given in scripture.

    You assume to much, like "we are all Christians". That most likely is NOT true. Most don't understand that it is a process to become a Christian, and that it's not simply a state or assent of mind, or decision whereby you say to yourself, ' I think I now believe in God and Christ, and I'm gonna...
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    Infant Baptism is not given in scripture.

    I was baptized into Christ as the scriptures teach which is the only way.
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    Infant Baptism is not given in scripture.

    Follow the actual scriptures, where they lead you and not secondary or tertiary documents or the men that "spoke to the Apostles". I choose to follow the scriptures.