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    Brainwashing/ Conditiong.

    I totally recognize that road. It is a path with specific phases in it that cannot be skipped over. I would compare that road to the grieving process at the sudden death of someone beloved. They say one passes from stunned, shocked denial, to profound weeping, then exhaustion, then to anger -...
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    Brainwashing/ Conditiong.

    This is very true. Let me give a personal example. Three and a half years ago my father died in his 90's. We travelled to visit him and arrived a day before he died. Under morphine, he just barely recognized me. I had always loved and respected my father, and saw in him a truly godly...
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    WHAT DOES IT MEAN WIVES ARE TO BE OBEDIENT TO THEIR HUSBANDS?

    Why should I do that? A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still. And I have a job to do today of installing rockwool insulation under the floor of my renovation project that takes priority right now...back later....
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    WHAT DOES IT MEAN WIVES ARE TO BE OBEDIENT TO THEIR HUSBANDS?

    What you presume the word "submit" means is entirely different than God's intent. You sound just like my parents with their skewed interpretation of what "obey in everything" meant. Their interpretation of this verse warped their entire lives, and had a ruinous effect on the marriages of all...
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    WHAT DOES IT MEAN WIVES ARE TO BE OBEDIENT TO THEIR HUSBANDS?

    This would be something of the same idea as expressed by the term "generational trauma". Or as the previous generation would have said, "As the twig is bent, so grows the tree." But our God has given us promises of the growth of His kingdom here on earth which will continually increase, like...
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    WHAT DOES IT MEAN WIVES ARE TO BE OBEDIENT TO THEIR HUSBANDS?

    Nobody is asking you to adopt a simpatico facade of sympathy if you aren't inclined to do so. Let's try a Thumper quote from Disney's "Bambi" to keep it simple. "If you can't say sumpin' nice, don't say nuttin' at all." Do you not understand that women don't necessarily need for someone to...
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    WHAT DOES IT MEAN WIVES ARE TO BE OBEDIENT TO THEIR HUSBANDS?

    The perpetual myth of a "superior human bloodline" never seems to go away, and has produced all kinds of human carnage over the millennia. Whether it is the origin of the papal delusion, or the "divine right of kings", or the "Master race" fallacy, etc...all these and others are based on the...
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    WHAT DOES IT MEAN WIVES ARE TO BE OBEDIENT TO THEIR HUSBANDS?

    "There is one who speaks like the piercings of a sword, But the tongue of the wise promotes health." (Proverbs 12:18) There are those with a history of being greatly wounded present here on this post, and it should be responded to with words that give balm and healing where most needed. It...
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    WHAT DOES IT MEAN WIVES ARE TO BE OBEDIENT TO THEIR HUSBANDS?

    God understands the difficulties of women (and men) in an abusive home environment. We have the example of how Abigail dealt with her husband, and of God's reward to her for disobeying Nabal's rejection of David's request for food for his men in the field. God Himself slew Nabal, and Abigail's...
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    WHAT DOES IT MEAN WIVES ARE TO BE OBEDIENT TO THEIR HUSBANDS?

    I get so weary of many believers presuming that God's words to Eve in Genesis 1 were a law He had approved and was instituting for them to follow, with men ruling over their wives by His design for marriage. God was only warning Eve of the sad results of what sin would cause for her gender from...
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    WHAT DOES IT MEAN WIVES ARE TO BE OBEDIENT TO THEIR HUSBANDS?

    Wrong. In its perfection in the Garden of Eden, God gave to both the man and the woman joint dominion over the planet and its creatures. Read Genesis 1:28. As believers, we are to be laboring to restore the perfection of that original joint dominion over this planet. It was sin that first...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Christ's second coming to the Mount of Olives (as presented in Zechariah 14:4-5) does NOT take place at the end of all human history on this planet. We know that it can't possibly be that, because Zechariah 14:16 goes on to describe a "year to year" progress of history continuing even AFTER...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Of course that Isaiah 61:2 portion in red was going to happen in the future for that generation of Jews which Christ was speaking to concerning the "days of vengeance". But you forget where that reference to "vengeance" first came from. It originated in the Deuteronomy 32 "Song of Moses" that...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    As for that "END", 1 Peter 4:7 wrote that "the END of all things is AT HAND" as Peter was writing those words around AD 65. Something was coming to a close back then at the "LAST HOUR" that John said had arrived (1 John 2:18). You are probably thinking that this phrase "then cometh the END"...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    No, that is not it. You are misquoting Paul. Paul did not write "Christ the first". He wrote "Christ the First-fruits". These words do not carry quite the same meaning. This is a Jewish term referring to the "First-fruits" of the first barley harvest in Israel during Passover week in...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    It isn't necessary for those bodily-resurrected individuals to be located on this earth in order to be alive in those immortal bodies. The destined inheritance that all believers are to experience is to be presented faultless before the presence of God's glory with exceeding joy (Jude 24). It...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    While I don't go as far as the @The Light does with those many listed resurrection events in comment #331, the Hebrews 9:28 KJV verse does NOT limit the coming appearance of Christ to ONLY two occasions. It only speaks of the second coming in particular, but it neither proves nor disproves...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Absolutely true. Absolutely false. There is not a shred of scripture proof that anybody raised from the dead in scripture ever died again. This goes totally contrary to the scripture's stated truth that in the bodily-resurrection process, those "children of the resurrection" never CAN die...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    I have already written that I accept Paul's statement that Christ was the "First-fruits". What I do NOT accept is your own personal definition of what that "First-fruits" title actually means. I'm not contradicting Paul. Paul himself wrote about the church having the "First-fruits" among them...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    I'm not changing anything. You yourself are trying to erase the facts concerning the resurrected 144,000 First-fruits. Paul spoke about the church still having the "First-fruits" of the Spirit's work of redemption of the bodies of men in Romans 8:23. These were patiently waiting with all the...