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But those individuals resurrected bodily from death back in OT times and NT times during Christ's ministry ARE presently alive in those glorified bodies in heaven. They were taken there in the "rapture" to heaven with the returning Christ back in AD 70. They were the "alive" and "remaining"...

You are trying yourself to change this term from "First-fruits" to "First-fruit", which should not be done. And I am not trying to change this term. Christ WAS the "First-fruits". The group of 144,000 Jewish resurrected saints were ALSO called "First-fruits unto God and the Lamb" in Rev...

Nobody was an eye-witness of Christ rising from the dead, yet we know beyond a doubt that He accomplished this. The resurrected bodies of saints are changed into the incorruptible and immortal "in the twinkling of an eye". Just how long do you think it takes for a resurrected person to ascend...

I said there are archeological proofs that Christ returned to the Mount of Olives back in AD 70 and resurrected His saints, returning to heaven with them. We also have almost every single writer in the NT testifying that this second coming return was at hand for that generation, as well as a...

ANYBODY resurrected to life again in scripture necessarily was given an incorruptible and immortal body form. That is how the resurrectoin process works, according to 1 Cor. 15:51-54. And you have misquoted 1 Cor. 15:20-23. It does NOT say that Jesus was the first to be resurrected unto...

No, Romans 11 is not any different than what I've written. Romans 11 rather confirms what I'm saying. Paul wrote that natural ethnic Israel had only a "remnant" at that present time (Rom. 11:5) which were believing the gospel. This was prophesied by Isaiah long ago (Is. 10:21-22) and by the...

I believe God's statement concerning the people of Israel back in Deut. 7:6, 14:2 and the like. "For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth." Daniel was referring...

I'm not changing anything. You just aren't reading what I'm writing carefully enough. The "abomination of desolation" which Daniel wrote about in both Daniel 11:31 and 12:11 is interpreted by Luke 21:20 as being "Jerusalem surrounded by armies". The AOD was invading ARMIES which encircled...

Nope. You have Daniel's record of ancient history chronology totally messed up.

You need to stop telling me what I believe. You are creating strawmen all over the place. That is not what I have written, and is certainly not what scripture teaches that the abomination of desolation was. Luke 21:20 interpreted what the AOD was, and it was "Jerusalem surrounded by ARMIES"...

I've never written that 167 BC was "the time of the end" that Daniel 12:4 was referring to. Evidently you haven't read enough of my position yet if you presume that is the meaning of my comments. That particular "time of the end" in Daniel 12:4 was the time when the power of Daniel's people...

You mistake why that teaching of Hymenaeus and Philetus was accepted by many of the believers back in those days. These two men were basing their incorrect teaching on the actual bodily resurrection of the Matthew 27:52-53 saints that had been raised from the dead on that same day that Christ...

I am merely quoting scripture, and listing historical events as recorded by ordinary historians. Call it what you will, that doesn't make your analysis correct.

No, what Christ said was that those weeping women and their own children would live to experience those disastrous events themselves. It was in their immediate future - not ours. The "Great Tribulation" was called "the days of vengeance" so that everything that was written about those "days of...

I've never read anything by the Jason you mention. Nothing. I am reading Luke from Luke 21:20-21, who interprets what the "abomination of desolation" was, and it was "Jerusalem surrounded by armies". This happened once under Antiochus E. IV, when Daniel 11:31 wrote that "ARMS shall stand on...

Christ on the way to the cross predicted that very wrath of God falling on those in Israel and their children. "Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves and for your children. For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the...

I didn't even bring up the title of the "Day of the Lord". What does that have to do with what I wrote? It is difficult for me to follow your train of thought many times, Timtofly. Lots of bouncing around from one subject to another with some unrelated stuff thrown in.

Never heard of him. I read the scriptures mainly, and dip into the history of the old pagan empires from ordinary online sources, as well as Ussher's Annals of the World, Josephus, and just a bit of the early church fathers. The scriptures are quite plain as to the chronological progression of...

Ummm, yes, the body being "changed" is the way scripture describes it, in both the OT and the NT (Job 14:14-15, 1 Cor. 15:51-54). The dead material remains of our physical body are resurrected and "changed" into an immortal, incorruptible condition that can never die again. That "change" is...

Daniel 11 is a step-by-step chronological description of ancient historical events from the Persian kings on through Alexander the Great, his four generals dividing the Greek empire, the prevailing Seleucid and Ptolemaic branches of the Greek empire with Antiochus E. IV descending from the...