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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    I see the scripture putting the Rev. 20 millennium "smack dab in the middle of Adam's punishment". It's as Habakkuk predicted in Hab. 3:2, "O Lord, revive thy work in the midst of the years, in the midst of the years make known; in wrath remember mercy." That "revival" under Zerubbabel and the...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    No, that Rev. 14:14-16 harvest was of the Son of Man alone reaping the "earth". It says nothing there in those verses about gathering the saints from the four winds of heaven yet, as it does for the later harvest which you brought up in Matt. 24:31 where the angels do the reaping. These were...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Some of those Christ spoke to back in Matthew 16:27-28 lived to see His bodily return to the Mount of Olives in AD 70. They were eye-witnesses of it while they were still alive. Christ then returned to heaven in AD 70 taking all of the resurrected saints with Him, for all the saints who had...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    No, Rev. 14:14-16 says that the Son of Man does the reaping in this particular harvest - no angels participating in this reaping process. This particular "harvest" was for the AD 33 "First resurrection" of Christ and the 144,000 First-fruits, Matthew 27:52-53 saints. No, it's not a fact...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Of course the dead bodies of men go into the dust of the grave and the spirits of men return to God. That was the decreed fate for Adam's choosing to sin, which fate passed upon all who are in Adam. But that is not the period on the end of the sentence for the dead bodies of the saints. For...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    That is one proposal that I have read, but it really is not possible. That is because Revelation 15:8 tells us that no man was able to enter heaven's temple until the 7 plagues had been fulfilled. And we know for certain that the 7 plagues were not finished before Christ's ascension. Christ...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    What am I "dreaming up"? The Greek word for that first sickle harvest by the newly-crowned Son of Man sitting on a cloud is "exeranthe", which means "dried up" or "withered". This isn't fresh fruit being harvested here. These were long dead saints who were resurrected by being "harvested" out...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    We believers have been promised that after our physical death, God will "change our vile body" in the resurrection process so that it will be "fashioned like unto His glorious body" (Philippians 3:21). This is a "CHANGE" (not an ex-change that dumps the old body form in the trash). This...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Of course they did. You are inventing a "Grade A" and "Grade B" resurrection method, and scripture presents no such differences in the process of a bodily resurrection for the saints. And you are inventing a difference between a physical resurrection from death and the change to immortal life...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    God no longer regards the mass of humanity in terms of Jew and Gentile anymore. Didn't you get the memo about the New Covenant? And even though it was Jewish tribal members that composed the resurrected 144,000 First-fruits back in AD 33 - that was because God still had the 70-week prophecy...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    I don't follow your line of reasoning in that statement. If Christ and His disciples were even THEN raising dead individuals in the cities of Israel from the grave to immortal life during "the hour NOW IS" time period of Christ's earthly ministry, how would that put any limitation on people...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    No, it makes them the "Firstfruits" of the barley harvest - the FIRST harvest of Israel's agricultural year. The 144,000 First-fruits (the Matt. 27:52-53 resurrected saints) were a limited number - comparable to the wave sheaf handful of barley offered in the temple along with the single...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    When Christ spoke about the hour that "NOW IS", He was speaking of the time back then in the AD 30's - not your time and mine. Back then, individuals on a case-by-case basis were being resurrected to an immortal life (Jairus's daughter, the widow's son, Lazarus, etc.) But I agree that the...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    That is a common assumption, but it is not the way that Luke interprets Daniel's "abomination of desolation" phrase. Matthew 24:15 and Mark 13:14 both use only the "abomination of desolation" phrase, but Luke 21:20-21 does the interpreting of that phrase for us, explaining that this AOD was...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Those John 14:1-3 verses were speaking of Christ's promised first-century return - His second coming. Christ predicted that some of those He was speaking to in Matthew 16:27-28 would live to see His coming return in the glory of His Father with the holy angels, when He would give rewards to...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Scripture never speaks about a "One and ONLY coming". This is a common presumption that has no basis of scripture proof at all.
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    You need to go back just a couple verses before John 5:28-29, and you will find Christ's prediction of the resurrection of the Matthew 27:52-53 saints. John 5:25 says, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    If that were true, then that would make the Jewish 144,000 the "LAST-fruits" instead. But that is not what they were called. Christ the First-fruits and the 144,000 First-fruits were what composed the "First resurrection" event. Christ and the Matthew 27:52-53 saints all being raised from...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Here you are contradicting yourself. That WAS a past "harvest" in Revelation 14:14-16. It was the newly-resurrected and crowned Son of Man who by Himself (no angels assisting at this first resurrection harvest) reaped that "dried" harvest from the earth. Christ on the same day that He was...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    That Antichrist already came and presented himself as the prophesied Messiah, King of the Jews in the Jerusalem temple long ago, back in AD 66. His name was Menahem, son or grandson of Judas the Galilean insurrectionist mentioned in Acts 5:37. Menahem was killed a short time afterward by...