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Welcome to the conversation. The faithful are all believers, the saints are those called of God to be saints from amongst the faithful... this is the high calling of God in Christ which often times results in persecution trials testing refining of the faith, and finally in some cases martyrdom...

I Misconstrued Paul who himself distinguishes between the faithful and the saints in all his writings? How can you take up a collection for the saints if all the faithful are the saints, for example? Do me a favor, I say this not to insult you, but instead of leaning on your own understanding...

This is the great error of Protestantism... this is the indoctrination i speak about, this is the protestant "dogma" if you will that is so ingrained in all sides of Protestantism that they are blind to it. This is a teaching of men (Luther and Calvin among others). It was a reactionary doctrine...

Without this distinction the book of revelation makes no sense too.

I Gave you the scriptures above.

That is where we disagree... This is the great error of Protestantism that has led to endless denominationalism.... calling all believers saints. God's army consists of the saints, His bride is distinct from that.

True, but the faithful must choose to believe.... God will not force His will upon man. Calling and election are another matter, misapplied by Calvinism to salvation itself as opposed to the high calling to be saints. We as the faithful must make our calling and election sure, that we may be...

I Agree, that is where election and calling come in... God chooses who is and who is not one.

Just tryin to have the conversation.... it is you who are shutting it down. I think my point is valid, and I am not thinking outside the box of scripture, but rather a man made doctrine routed in Luther and Calvin that says all believers are saints... find the verse that states this. In fact the...

This assessment is 100% inaccurate of me.... I Have never stepped foot inside a Catholic church, I Have debated and exposed many Catholic apologists in my day.... I am not "projecting" I am encouraging you to study scriptures with the desire for the truth.... in fact that is where these...

Just about every protestant church believes in and affirms the third of your choices as true and sound doctrine, yet there is so much division between them.... IMO that is because they are reading scripture wrong, and not rightly dividing those teaching directed at saints from those directed...

Preservation is for the faithful, perseverance is for the saints..... The problem is the protestant revolution fails to make the distinction between the faithful and the saints and it will forever be in confusion and schism and disarray known as denominationalism.

Me too.... Blessings all, i pop in from time to time, but not led to comment. Keep looking up...

Hi all, Haven't posted here in quite a while, as I Got home today, God gave me a prophetic dream... How I know is it was vivid and awakened me with it fully entrenched in my mind. The non prophetic dreams typically leave me in a few seconds after awakening. Felt the need to share, my thoughts...

Great topic and something I have been dealing with a lot. There are a segment of women that are speaking loudly ruining the God ordained role of the Woman in the family, and home. There is also a segment of men that react to this to the extreme in the opposite direction and they have a loud...

your missing my point. Jesus became sin for us who knew no sin. 2 Corinthians 5:21 What I am saying is that we are to become Christ like he is our example.... By apologizing for something we did not do in the first place we are following Christ example of becoming sin who knew no sin...

What I have come to see of late is that forgiving someone is taking the blame on yourself even when it is not your fault.... This is the very essence of what Christ did on the cross to forgive us... Him who knew no sin became sin for us. Hard concept to grasp, even harder to implement.

As a moral guide Scripture is sufficient even regarding modern problems, because all modern problems stem from sin in general. But with regard to things like technology and its positive and negative effects on our lives it does not address these things. For example, I am an antivaxer (Covid...

Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise. (1 Corinthians 3:18) But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things...

the Bible does not address modern issues, of Modern Society. God speaks and addresses these issues to the saints, who then impart these words and warnings to the churches. Sounds like you worship the Bible rather than the Author of the Bible. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and...