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  1. Timtofly

    Scripture Revelation That Many Throw Out About the Future 1,000 Years Reign by Christ

    You are using this argument to state only a few are the elect. That there is a remnant, does not mean; all have not been elected from God's viewpont. All are part of the elect, from God's point of view. Even the remnant had to make a choice one way or the other. God did not take that choice...
  2. Timtofly

    Scripture Revelation That Many Throw Out About the Future 1,000 Years Reign by Christ

    The Day of the Lord is the last present time 1000 years. The Day of the Lord is not another creation. For instance, the Day of the Flood, was the last day of sons of God living on the earth, but not the last day of creation. Only Adam's dead corruptible flesh lived on the earth after that...
  3. Timtofly

    Scripture Revelation That Many Throw Out About the Future 1,000 Years Reign by Christ

    Of course you do, because you have all the redeemed as the dead waiting to stand before Christ at the GWT Judgment. Show one verse that backs up your claim that all of Adam's offspring have to wait until the GWT Judgment. If not, then you contradict yourself. Do you think that God only...
  4. Timtofly

    Scripture Revelation That Many Throw Out About the Future 1,000 Years Reign by Christ

    You are still placing Jesus into a position of needing to be redeemed, ie made alive. Jesus is not part of the order. Spiritually dead people are the firstfruits in Christ, who are part of their own order. Do you not see the point here: "But every man in his own order". Jesus is...
  5. Timtofly

    Scripture Revelation That Many Throw Out About the Future 1,000 Years Reign by Christ

    It is you who is not making a distinction between a last 24 hour day, and the Day of the Lord, which is a thousand year time period. The Second Coming is not after the Day of the Lord, as you keep insisting. You should agree with the Amil and post mill adherents who say the last 24 hour...
  6. Timtofly

    Scripture Revelation That Many Throw Out About the Future 1,000 Years Reign by Christ

    When one uses the words, "in their own order", that cannot mean "at the same time". There is literally nothing in 1 Corinthians 15:22-23 that implies, nor explicitly states that "their order" means "at the same time". The resurrection at the Cross for the OT redeemed was physical, and they...
  7. Timtofly

    Scripture Revelation That Many Throw Out About the Future 1,000 Years Reign by Christ

    Lunacy is accepting Calvin's theology, and limited election. Election means your name is written in the Lamb's book of life, until it is blotted out, and God removes you from election. You don't just get election suddenly, one day in your life. You had election, and your name in the...
  8. Timtofly

    Scripture Revelation That Many Throw Out About the Future 1,000 Years Reign by Christ

    But is that last day, a thousand years long? You obviously, keep saying the "last day" is both before and after the thousand years. Your "last day" is really a thousand years in length. Because a thousand years obviously has a first day, and a last day. The Second Coming is neither of...
  9. Timtofly

    Scripture Revelation That Many Throw Out About the Future 1,000 Years Reign by Christ

    No, the elect are those who can be saved, not yet in the LOF. The second death has not happened yet, so all can be saved, up until that point. That does not mean they have accepted that redemption. You claim some are automatically born the elect, because you don't allow people to choose...
  10. Timtofly

    Scripture Revelation That Many Throw Out About the Future 1,000 Years Reign by Christ

    Because many will be in their graves, and all will come out. But those is Christ left their graves at the Cross, and no one since then has ever entered a grave, who are in Christ. You are not this body of flesh. You are a soul that enters heaven after leaving earth, and enters God's...
  11. Timtofly

    Scripture Revelation That Many Throw Out About the Future 1,000 Years Reign by Christ

    That is not what is written. Jesus will come again, and then comes the end after the reign is accomplished and creation is returned to God, no longer in existence. Paul never states the second coming is the end of existence as we currently know it.
  12. Timtofly

    Scripture Revelation That Many Throw Out About the Future 1,000 Years Reign by Christ

    Paul never said at the same time. The order started at the Cross, with the OT redeemed being made alive. Do you deny the resurrection of Matthew 27? Jesus did not need to be made spiritually alive. Paul indicated 2 types of events. Being made alive is not just a physical resurrection...
  13. Timtofly

    Scripture Revelation That Many Throw Out About the Future 1,000 Years Reign by Christ

    That does not mean every one is saved. It means they can be saved if they chose salvation. Being made for a purpose is not the same as election. We are not born to be elected. We are elected because we were born. God has the freedom to pardon all, even if they reject that pardon.
  14. Timtofly

    Scripture Revelation That Many Throw Out About the Future 1,000 Years Reign by Christ

    There is no procreation in heaven. Those verses are not talking about any thousand year period on earth. There will be birth and generations in the millennium. See Isaiah 65. Isaiah 65 is not talking about heaven. People already live and reign in heaven in the world to come. That has...
  15. Timtofly

    Scripture Revelation That Many Throw Out About the Future 1,000 Years Reign by Christ

    Which is all who are physically born, until their name is blotted out. The elect includes all of Adam and Eve's offspring. The redeemed are Jesus' offspring. The Lamb was the propitiation for the entire world, not just a select few. It is both our choice and God's choice to be redeemed...
  16. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    That is what human theology teaches, and is not from Scripture. There is no verse that claims we must wait until some future event. You all don't believe like Martha. Jesus said you would never die. If you are never going to die, how can you be resurrected? John 11:25-26 "Jesus said unto...
  17. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    No, you are placing humans into the position of describing the reign of Christ. Jesus had human form when he talked to Abraham and ate human food. That was the post Resurrection Jesus, that always existed post the Cross, because Jesus is God, and always existed in time with a post...
  18. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    Heavenly Jerusalem is not the New Jerusalem of the next creation. This creation is still in effect. You obviously do not think there is a future new creation after this one ends, and you must not think this creation will ever end. You are conflating two separate issues. Revelation 21...
  19. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    Those alive on the earth that change from dead flesh to God's flesh, is a resurrection? Enoch was translated, not resurrected. No one comes out of the dust until after the thousand years. No verse says those beheaded were buried. No verse says they get the same beheaded body back. The first...