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  1. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    I understand that you have switched from the end of the millennium (Amil) to the beginning of the millennium (Preterists). Both are wrong, because the millennium has not started. Give one verse from Scripture that the Cross ushered in the thousand years found in Revelation 20. Show me in...
  2. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    All of humanity are God's elect, until they are cast into the LOF. God does currently know every one. No one has been cast into the LOF. How can you say that God currently has lack of knowledge? That verse can not be applied until that point the dead stand before God. Only then can God...
  3. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    Does this apply to those currently alive in heaven, or are they physically buried up there as well? No redeemed person will return to the dust to grab that old Adamic physical body. That is the point Satan has deceived the church with for millennia. The time of redemption started at the...
  4. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    They leave sheol. That is a resurrection, not how. Do you think every resurrection mentioned in Scripture is permanent? Those going into the LOF will not be going back to sheol, as it will also be cast into the LOF. If you want to be physically technical, the place they just left is still...
  5. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    How do you know what people a thousand years from now can know? Since they have the Word in the flesh (Jesus Christ) on the earth, why would they have Bibles? Gog will not be a literal physical nation of that name. Satan deceived Eve. Was Eve Gog, and Magog? The term Gog and Magog just...
  6. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    Satan's release is not the trigger that states the thousands years are over. The thousand years are over, because that is how time works. You could add a gap of 20 days between the end of the thousand years, and Satan's literal release, since you are making a big deal about gaps. The...
  7. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    The point is not about your "gap theory". The point is they cannot receive the first resurrection during the thousand years. Some will never receive eternal life (first resurrection), ever.
  8. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    SDA teaching is the furthest interpretation from the actual words of Revelation 20. Can you quote from the SDA Bible that changes the actual words to emphasize your point?
  9. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    No, because Jesus has been reigning since creation week. So, was the millennium prior to the Flood? The sons of God were ruling and reigning with Christ for thousands of years after creation week. The timing of Revelation 20 is immediately after Revelation 19, but Amil don't seem to...
  10. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    Your argument expresses the point: God literally rewards those who are wicked. So wicked Jews are cut off for being disobedient, but then rewarded eventually, just because? You believe this just to avoid a physical death, and physical resurrection?
  11. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    There is no New Jerusalem in this current creation. What thousand year period ended, that ushered in a New Jerusalem spiritually or physically? Are you saying there was no New Jerusalem for a thousand years after the Cross? If there is a physical Jerusalem it is in this physical creation...
  12. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    This is blatantly wrong, and your added opinion. The wicked dead are not deceived after the thousand years. REALLY? They have been in sheol for a thousand years and you think they were only deceived after the thousand years? What about God were they deceived about after spending a thousand...
  13. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    So you are an universalist claiming every one will eventually get redeemed? Did that already happen in the first century? The fulness of the Gentiles was complete at the beginning of the thousand years. Those beheaded were the last Gentiles as part of the fulness of the Gentiles. Even if this...
  14. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    There is no guarantee the rest of the dead will live again after the thousand years. The guarantee is that they will not live again until the thousand years is over. If creation ceases to exist immediately upon the thousand year mark, then there would be no Satan nor earth to deceive. You...
  15. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    While "Israel" may have been used as a catch all, like the word "Christian", one should refer to one's personal choice as being redeemed. There was only one Israel, and he was called Jacob. His descendants were Israelites. They were born into redemption, until cast off in disbelief. The...
  16. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    It was not the law, but the act of faith, in obedience to God. The OT redeemed were not spiritually alive, whatever that means. They were waiting in Abraham's bosom in faith. Lazarus was the only one spiritually alive, and that was after he was called out of Abraham's bosom. Having a...
  17. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    This is not accurate. No redeemed person is still dead at that point. The OT redeemed are not dead today. The OT redeemed were made alive at the Cross, not 3,000 years after the Cross nor a thousand years after the Second Coming. Did Jesus say in John 11 that people would have to wait...
  18. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    Not only that. There is no creation when the dead stand before God. "And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them." Creation returns to God, per 1 Corinthians 15, before the dead stand before...
  19. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    Would you not place a gap between the Cross and the Second Coming? Did Jesus die and come the Second time in a 24 hour day? "But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits (The Cross), afterward they that are Christ's at his coming (The Second Coming) Then cometh the end (The end of...
  20. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    Only the lost will be in their graves. Some lost will be allowed to receive eternal life. If you are are in a grave, at that point, you are not even saved. The redeemed are not dead, at that point. You claim the chapter is all about the spiritual. So those are spiritually dead people at...