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I'm not making anything up. In fact, you are, when you claim that they had spirits because the Bible doesn't say they had spirits. Why are you making things up? I'm simply going with what scripture says, which is that "dust you are, and to dust you will return". It doesn't get much clearer...

That is obviously a parable. I find it confusing that you take a parable as being literal, but statements like "the dead know nothing", you claim are not literal. It's so backwards.

It's not explicitly stated that it happens immediately upon death, but it makes the most sense. And, as you know, I believe Jesus already returned, so my belief is in agreement with 1 Corinthians 15.

Do you even know what a soul is? Cause you appear to be talking about "body, soul and spirit" as though they are three parts of a person, but that doesn't make sense if you use the biblical definition of soul. So, why don't you explain what a soul is and then we can determine if we agree on...

"There is more to people than just their bodies". What are you?

What you and I believe is very similar, at least up to a point. We both believe that after death, we live on as spirits. However, this transition from physical body to spirit, that's where we differ. You describe it as "the spirit leaves the body". I describe it as "the physical body is...

You are saying that dozens of verses of scripture are not accurate, because one parable seems to tell a different story? You do realize that a parable is not actually literal, right? Remember, you must always interpret less clear scripture in light of more clear scripture. Make the clear...

Actually, to claim that "the dead know nothing", does not mean that the dead know nothing, is a ridiculous response. And pretending that those who believe what it literally says need "discernment" is kind of a joke, isn't it? This is not the kind of thing that you can claim is symbolic. It...

They had been slain, but they were not dead. Obviously they had been resurrected, because if they were still dead they wouldn't be able to cry out. Dead men tell no tales, remember?

I too am speaking of the human experience. Is that not what we are all talking about?

You're using a symbolic vision as an example of reality. Symbolism is not reality. You're using a parable as an example of reality. A parable is not reality. All my examples speak of reality. Your examples do not.

Actually, there are more. Genesis 3:19 By the sweat of your face you shall eat bread, till you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; for you are dust, and to dust you shall return.” Job 7:21 Why then do you not pardon my transgression and take away my iniquity? For now I will lie...

The verse literally says "the dead know not any thing" and you're saying "it's not saying the dead themselves know nothing". You're straight up denying scripture. I never thought I would see anybody go to this extreme to defend their doctrine. Usually people at least try to twist the...

Death is not the complete absence of life? So you can be dead, while still being alive? I'll give you a minute to think about that.

What are you? Are you three parts? What if those three parts are separated? Which of the three are you?

Post 353, you said "No. There are not two kinds of the dead in Christ. All saved Christians that die, did experience the first death, and are alive in a non-physical sense in heaven, fully conscious. The dead body in the grave knows nothing and of naturally not conscious." So, you're saying...

o.k. I believe futurism to be heresy and unscriptural, so here we are. Regardless, I'm curious how you define death. Do you think being in heaven is being dead? Do you think the dead are conscious?

I never said there are two kinds of the dead in Christ. Not sure where you got that from. I think you're not fully grasping what I'm saying, probably because we are not agreeing on the definition of death, so let's start there. I define death as: The state of having no breath and no...

You're assuming his coming is still future. That's why you're having such a hard time with this. Try to understand what I'm saying from the perspective that Jesus returned in 70 AD. It will make a lot more sense to you. Huh? It's common sense. Do you think the dead still had consciousness...

You might not have seen my edit on that post you responded to. To clarify, this body will die, but I will never die. I am not this body. I am my consciousness. So in that sense, you might agree with me. When Paul spoke of the dead in Christ, he was speaking of those who were actually dead...