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“The revelation of Jesus Messiah, which God gave him …” (Revelation 1:1) Who is this God?

Jesus - the Messiah, Son of God - has come and will return. Who is still to come? For me that’s an easy question to answer: the God and Father of Jesus - > Yahweh himself. Yahweh himself and Jesus himself will both come and be present in the new earth.

Jesus shares titles with his own God. That presents no difficulties for Jewish monotheism. Jesus himself is a Jewish monotheist. That is a constraint of history. The question that has to be asked (at least for me) is this: Who is Jesus’ own God?

And then there is Jesus himself. He is a Jewish monotheist. The God of Jewish monotheism / Jewish monotheists is only one person -> Jesus’ own God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel. I’ve documented this so many times from both scripture and trinitarian scholarship that it should be obvious...

Thanks. I watched the video and I’m very familiar with Bauckham (though I’ve never met, spoken with or corresponded with him). You will find that what the speaker in the video says is almost verbatim what I say. However, we don’t reach the same conclusion. There are two major areas that I would...

Many besides Jesus are identified as theos in scripture: angels, judges, idols. Jesus isn’t a subordinate god in Jewish monotheism. He is God’s shaliah* * Among Jewish monotheists who affirm that Jesus is the Messiah. Among Jewish monotheists who deny Jesus is the Messiah, he is not God’s shaliah.

“In modern times, nearly all scholarly authorities on the book of Revelation have interpreted the speaker in Rev 1.8 as God the Father, not Jesus Christ.” (Kermit Zarley, “Is Jesus ‘the Lord God ... The Almighty’ In Revelation 1:8?”)...

Yes, within the constraints / framework of Jewish monotheism. Jewish monotheism is simple. It is the unitary monotheism of Israel, of the Messiah, of the apostles, and of the primitive Christians. It’s complex only to those for whom it‘s a foreign concept.

Jesus is theos and kurios - there should be no doubt at all about that - but trinitarian scholarship is good at pointing out that he is not ho theos. That’s an important point, and one which I make often.

It is a fairly common mistake among trinitarians, binitarians and even unitarians to place all Jewish monotheists together in the same category - some even going so far as to call Jewish monotheists “Christ killers”. Can you hear the hiss in the voice of the accuser? *** Who killed the...

No one should ever believe error. My pov affirms the New Testament and insists that the Old Testament foretells of his arrival. I’m a 21st century Jewish monotheist who believes and affirms - as did a small number of 1st century Jewish monotheists - that Jesus of Nazareth (himself a Jewish...

Excellent. So are you saying then that it is neither Jesus nor the Father speaking in Revelation 1:8? As a Jewish monotheist, I‘m committed to always considering Jesus as “the Son of God”. That’s a non-negotiable for me. Jesus is presently sitting at the right hand of his God, the Father...

Are you suggesting that the speaker is not one person but three persons, the Triune God? I’m a Jewish monotheist. The point of this thread is a response to a Catholic member - who (rightly) implied this afternoon in a post directed to me that the speaker in Revelation 1:8 is the Father.

That’s fine. Who is the speaker? You’ve been offered two choices, so far. A. Jesus (a trinitarian offering) B. The God and Father of Jesus (a Jewish monotheist offering)

The Messiah himself is a Jewish monotheist. The Romans (pagans) crucified the Messiah, not the Messiah’s God. Only one person is speaking in Revelation 1:8 - you know that- and that one person is the Messiah’s God - and you didn’t know that. Even after being told, you don’t believe it.

In Jewish monotheism this is Yahweh, the God and Father of the Messiah. While we disagree on who is speaking in this verse - and I will be posting trinitarian sources to support my position - we agree that it isn’t the Triune God speaking.

“I am the Alpha and the Omega, says the Lord God - the one who is, and who was, and who is still to come - the All-Powerful!” (Revelation 1:8, NET)

When I.O.U roamed the forum and spoke with me when few members did.