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  1. keithr

    Yahavah's name, God's name. Is it important? Did God deem it important?

    There is nothing stopping you from comparing different translations, and I would encourage you to do so. But sure, if you're too lazy to do that then I can choose another translation or two for you. Here you go: 1 Corinthians 15:27-28 (ESV): (27) For “God has put all things in subjection...
  2. keithr

    Yahavah's name, God's name. Is it important? Did God deem it important?

    Jesus' name (Yeshua) is not above our heavenly Father's name (Yahavah). 1 Corinthians 15:27-28 (WEB): (27) For, “He put all things in subjection under his feet.” But when he says, “All things are put in subjection”, it is evident that he is excepted who subjected all things to him. (28) When...
  3. keithr

    The Yahweh Name

    And yet at Pentecost Peter preached quoting Joel, Acts 2 (WEB): (16) But this is what has been spoken through the prophet Joel: (17) ‘It will be in the last days, says God, ... (21) It will be that whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.’ and Joel says, Joel 2:32 (WEB)...
  4. keithr

    The Third Heaven - Taken into the Future

    The only place in the Bible where the phrase "third heaven" is used is Paul's use of it in 2 Corinthians 12:2. Paul probably used that expression to emphasise that he was referring to heaven where God and Jesus are, not the sky on the earth, nor the rest of the universe. It's confusing because...
  5. keithr

    The Third Heaven - Taken into the Future

    There is nothing in those passages to suggest that Paul was referring to being taken to, or given visions of, the future. As Albert Barnes' Notes says: the Bible speaks of but three heavens, and among the Jews in the apostolic ages also the heavens were divided into three: (1) The aerial...
  6. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    I know I said that I wouldn't post any more on the subject of Jesus' pre-existence before his birth as a human, but I thought I should just correct you on your comment that 1 Corinhians 8:6 is "speaking of the Church". The context of the passage (the whole chapter) is actually about Christians...
  7. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    You're twisting the plain text to fit your interpretation, while still ignoring other verses which cannot be interpreted that way. I'll add some more verses in one last attempt to help you see the truth (I won't post any more on the subject after this). John 1:15 (ISV): (15) John {the...
  8. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    Why do you ask that? That's not what JWs believe. From Wikipedia: Jehovah's Witnesses believe that Jesus is God's "only-begotten Son", and that his life began in heaven. He is described as God's first creation and the "exact representation of God", but is believed to be a separate entity and...
  9. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    The Greek words commonly translated as "I am", more precisely should be translated as "I have been", i.e. Jesus was saying that he had been alive from before Abraham was born. Your idea that Jesus (and everything) only previously existed in God's thoughts, is not in harmony with other verses of...
  10. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    Yep, I've already covered that in a previous post (post #415). Sorry, that was a typing error (which I've corrected). It should have been John 8:58.
  11. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    Well some Bible translators disagree with you, e.g.: ISV: (17) He himself existed before anything else did, and he holds all things together. GNB: (17) Christ existed before all things, and in union with him all things have their proper place. ERV: (17) The Son was there before anything was...
  12. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    Well I've quoted a lot of verses (at least 24) which suggest that Jesus did exist before he was born in Bethlehem. If that doesn't convince you then I don't know what will. Keep it in mind as you read the Bible, and delve deeper into the meanings of the Greek and Hebrew words, and one day it...
  13. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    But I don't own a manor. Oh wait, perhaps you meant "manner"? :D It seems so. But if we keep studying God's word then we should learn more and more of the truth (light). 1 Corinthians 13:12 (WEB): (12) For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I...
  14. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    No, I am not, nor have I ever been, a Jehovah's Witness. To summarise, at one point only God existed, and He was (and by definition always will be) immortal (He cannot possibly die). Then his only begotten Son (Jesus) came into being (birth or creation - the details are not specified), but he...
  15. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    Indeed. I was not arguing that Jesus was God, I was pointing out that he existed in a non-human form before he was made human, therefore he existed before he was born as a human (that's what we have been discussing - right?). Yes, I added more Scripture quotes to support why I thought your...
  16. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    Hebrews 1:2 doesn't say "all", it says "he made the worlds/universe/ages". 1 Corinthians 8:6 says "through whom are all things", not "some things". And "You, Lord, in the beginning, laid the foundation of the earth. The heavens are the works of your hands" is unambiguous, it definitely refers...
  17. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    But don't ignore the verses that I quoted that said that Jesus came down from heaven when he became human, and that he was in heaven before he was made human, that he was with God before the world was made, existing in the "form of God". I don't think that is correct. Paul wrote that "all...
  18. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    We do not exist before we are born, or rather, before we are conceived. However, Jesus was the exception. He was not conceived by a human father; he was conceived by God (Luke 1:31,35), and Jesus did exist before he was conceived as a human: Hebrews 10:5 (WEB): (5) Therefore when he comes...
  19. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    Philippians 3:20-21 (WEB): (20) For our citizenship is in heaven, from where we also wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ; (21) who will change the body of our humiliation to be conformed to the body of his glory, according to the working by which he is able even to subject all things to...
  20. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    Ditto. Your understanding that we were "spiritually dead" is radically different from what Paul wrote ("You were dead in your trespasses and sins", Ephesians 2:1 - TLV). Ditto. Did he? These verse don't seem very plain to me - 2 Corinthians 5:1-2 (KJV): (1) For we know that if our earthly...