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  1. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    Yes, of course I believe that verse. However, you need to delve slightly deeper and realise what the Hebrew text actually says - Genesis 2:17 (KJV): (17) But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die...
  2. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    That's the kind of reasoning that meant thousands of Catholics believed in the Transubstantiation, where people were told to believe that when the priest prayed over the bread that a miracle happened and the bread turned into the human flesh of Jesus, and then another miracle happened and Jesus'...
  3. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    You don't accept what Paul wrote about being dead - Ephesians 2:5 (ISV): (5) even when we were dead because of our offenses, made us alive together with the Messiah (by grace you have been saved), Taking Paul literally, he said we were dead. You've added a strange interpretation of what dead...
  4. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    I disagree. Look up the Scriptures. I disagree. Look up the Scriptures. I disagree. Look up the Scriptures. Thank you for letting us know that you disagree. What a helpful contribution that has been. (Yes, I'm being sarcastic.)
  5. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    The Scriptures are a waste of time?! o_O
  6. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    God will not allow any being to live forever if they are not perfect according to His righteous laws and love - sin is the opposite of love (that is why mankind has been sentenced to death - eternal death, not eternal life). There are currently no "ever living" beings except God and Jesus, and...
  7. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    You haven't thought of all possible explanations. I have pointed out another explanation to you. It's up to you to decide whether it could be the truth or not. I'm just trying to helpl you understand the truth; that's the whole point of these forum discussions is it not?
  8. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    (I presume you meant, "Well you gave your opinion why the present does not mean the present".) Yes, it is my opinion on what Paul meant by what he wrote. Similarly, your interpretation is your opinion on what Paul meant. You have assumed that "were dead in trespasses and sins" doesn't mean...
  9. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    It's the same with your avatar photo - it doesn't look like you're 68 years old. ;)
  10. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    So "God is God's power and God's glory"? That doesn't make much sense. Again, you're not supplying any Biblical evidence to back up what you're writing. What do you make of Ephesians 3:19 (WEB): (19) and to know Christ’s love which surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled with all the...
  11. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    Errm, isn't Ronald a man's name?
  12. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    So God is spirit and he has a spirit? :IDK: You cannot be born by a seed, you can only be begotten by a seed. 1 John 3:9 (ASV): (9) Whosoever is begotten of God doeth no sin, because his seed abideth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is begotten of God. In the Greek the same word is...
  13. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    First, show me that your opinion is inspired.
  14. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    I already explained that in post #266. There's no point repeating myself. (BTW, I think that should be verse 1, not 2.) In the original manuscripts it does not have "hath he quickened" in verse 1, it was added by the translators. More modern translations translate it as, for example: ISV...
  15. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    Why have you added the word 'spiritually'? I do not find the expression "dead/alive spiritually" in the bible. Our eternal future will consist of either eternal life or eternal death. Romans 6:23 (WEB): (23) For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ...
  16. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    That paasage does not teach that dead people in hell are actually alive but separated from God. It doesn't even say that God does not look at unsaved people/souls. In fact quite the reverse. To quote a more modern translation than the KJV, because it seems you might not have correctly...
  17. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    Okay, I admit it. I was a little younger when that photo in my avatar was taken. :)
  18. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    The Rich Man and Lazarus (part 3): The Rich Man in Torments Then we read that the Rich Man, in Hades, lifted up his eyes, being in torments, and he saw Abraham in the distance, and Lazarus in his bosom. So much were the Jewish leaders tormented by the change of conditions that they persecuted...
  19. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    The Rich Man and Lazarus (part 2): The Lazarus class also later included those Gentiles of humble heart who accepted Jesus, thus becoming Jews inwardly and participants in the Abrahamic promises. (Colossians 3:11; Galatians 3:28,29; Romans 2:28,29; 10:12) As an illustration of how these fed on...
  20. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    Here's an explanation that I got from the Internet 24 years ago. As I said, it's long so I'll have to split it into three posts: The Rich Man and Lazarus Luke 16:19-31 It is evident from the whole setting of this passage that it is a parable. Otherwise the logical lesson to be drawn from it...