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  1. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    Ephesians 2:4-7 (WEB): (4) But God, being rich in mercy, for his great love with which he loved us, (5) even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), (6) and raised us up with him, and made us to sit with him in the heavenly...
  2. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    I don't have complaints, I have disagreements with what you have written! I said that you had written things (plural) that I did not agree with. Since you told me to go and search the Scriptures to see if what you had written was correct, I'm tempted to say, search my posts to find out what I...
  3. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    Because you're the one that's writing things contradicting what I wrote and what I believe the Scriptures say. If you want to convince me (and others) that you are right then you need to show us the Biblical evidence. Just saying something without proof is useless and possibly deceiving. You...
  4. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    2 Timothy 3:16 (TLV): (16) All Scripture is inspired by God and useful for teaching, for reproof, for restoration, and for training in righteousness, Just because it is written in the present tense, to indicate it is a done deal, doesn't mean that it is literally referring to the present time...
  5. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    A lifeless body returns back to dust. Why would God bother to destroy something that is lifeless? How is that a punishment? Revelation 20:15 (WEB): (15) If anyone was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire. How do you get from the above verse that the...
  6. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    I find it confusing that you don't think that a person's thoughts perishing (dictionary meanings: to be destroyed, ruined, or wiped out; to pass from existence) doesn't mean loss of consciousness. Psalms 146:4 (WEB): (4) His spirit departs, and he returns to the earth. In that very day, his...
  7. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    It is a lake of fire and sulphur. Burning sulphur creates sulphur dioxide which is poisonus and will kill people. From Fire and Brimstone: SO2 as a Chemical Weapon in History: Sulfur dioxide (SO2), a colorless, nonflammable gas produced by the burning of materials that contain sulfur, poses a...
  8. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    Revelation is full of symbolism. A reminder, Revelation 1:1 (KJV): (1) The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: The revelation was told in signs...
  9. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    That is not in harmony with what Paul taught. 1 Corinthians 15:51 (WEB): (51) Behold, I tell you a mystery. We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, He describes those Christians that have died as being asleep, not awake in heaven. 1 Corinthians 15:17-18 (WEB): (17) If Christ has...
  10. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    That can't be "separation from God", because Psalms 139:7-8 (WEB): (7) Where could I go from your Spirit? Or where could I flee from your presence? (8) If I ascend up into heaven, you are there. If I make my bed in Sheol, behold, you are there! KJV: (8) If I ascend up into heaven, thou art...
  11. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    I am interested only in the truth. To bring this discussion back to the topic of this thread, that is why I don't believe that animals will be resurrected, let alone go to heaven, because there is no mention or hint of it in the Bible, and it doesn't fit in with God's plan as outlined in the...
  12. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    Thank you, although I prefer English. From SpanishDictionary.com: Adiós is Spanish for "goodbye" or "farewell". Literally translated, the word is the contraction of "a" (to) and "Dios" (God), from the old Spanish phrase "A Dios vais" ("You're going to God", meaning to the Kingdom of Heaven)...
  13. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    Don't you understand God's plan of salvation? God wants everyone to be saved. 2 Peter 3:9 (WEB): (9) The Lord is not slow concerning his promise, as some count slowness; but is patient with us, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 1 Timothy 2:4 (WEB)...
  14. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    The Bible does not say that Jesus forgave the thief. When Jesus said, Luke 23:34 (WEB): (34) Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they don’t know what they are doing.” Dividing his garments among them, they cast lots. he was not referring to the two thieves! The clear words of Jesus -...
  15. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    Once again, Jesus did not go to heaven on the day that he was crucified, and Jesus never lied so he would not have said, or meant, that the thief would be with Jesus in heaven that very day. Jesus was dead for three days: Luke 24:46 (WEB): (46) He {Jesus} said to them, “Thus it is written...
  16. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    Read it more carefully, in the context of the request made by the thief - Luke 23:42-43 (WEB): (42) He said to Jesus, “Lord, remember me when you come into your Kingdom.” (43) Jesus said to him, “Assuredly I tell you, today you will be with me in Paradise.” The thief asked Jesus to remember...
  17. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    In order to be sure that you are believing the truth of God's word, you have to interpret it such that there is no conflict of undestanding with other verses. If there seems to be a conflict then you should realise that is most likely because you are misunderstanding one or more verses of the...
  18. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    But Jesus did not go there on the day that he was crucified, so he could not have been there with the thief that day. Matthew 12:39-40 (WEB): (39) But he answered them, “An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, but no sign will be given to it but the sign of Jonah the prophet...
  19. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    Nevertheless, I can find two translations that translate Luke 23:43 differently: 1865 Diaglot NT: And said to him the Jesus: Indeed I say to thee to-day, with me thou shalt be in the Paradise. Translation from Aramaic, Lamsa Bible: Jesus said to him, Truly I say to you today, you will be with...
  20. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    In what respect? Jesus made no mention of body, spirit or soul. He simply said Lazarus was sleeping, then plainly explained that Lazarus was dead. He said that he was going to wake Lazarus up from his sleep (death). That involved restoring a dead, decomposing and stinking body back to life...