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    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    Everyone at the fifth seal that asked how long until their blood was avenged saw it.
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    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    I’m wondering if you see all prophecy already being fulfilled in a type or figurative way? I think we all agree there is still a future coming of Christ but 70AD could be a type of a future coming. Ecclesiastes 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is...
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    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    What happened in 70AD was very similar to what happened to Sodom. Lot was notified and he fled. In Luke 17:30 the Son of man is revealed, which notified, and then they fled per vs 31. In 70AD they were notified by Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, and they fled. No, the disciples all died...
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    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    Well, I say the great tribulation was the spiritual blindness in part that Israel experienced. That tribulation ended when the Son of man was revealed which is in Luke 17:30. After that tribulation they fled as Luke 17:31 says. Remember, I place the days being shortened as the beginning portion...
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    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    When the days were shortened, the beginning part of those days were removed, they didn’t take place. That is how the elect in Jerusalem were not destroyed. After Israel left Egypt, they initially rejected going into the promised land. They all died in the wilderness, without hope of ever going...
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    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    I can accept what you’re saying, I’m not full preterist so I do see a future coming of Christ. Still, we don’t really know exactly what days the disciples were desiring to see. I would say most likely they were desiring to see the coming of Christ since it’s not possible for us to go back in...
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    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    I do agree that there are similarities between what happened in 70AD and what will happen at the final coming of Christ. In Luke 17:30 the Son of man is revealed which I do equate with the 2 Thessalonians 1:7 Lord Jesus being revealed. Luke 17:31 tells us the fleeing takes place after that...
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    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    Correct, and that was fulfilled in 70AD. Luke 23:28But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children. 29For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare...
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    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    Ok, let’s look at Luke 17:22. Luke 17:22 And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it. There is only one set of days that came for the disciples, they died before the second coming. Your option B)...
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    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    If I’m following your line of thinking you have option A) meaning the days Jesus was on earth before the cross and option B) as the future coming of Christ. You then have Luke 17:22 meaning that the disciples will desire to see either a day when Jesus was on earth, (A)), or they will desire to...
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    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    If both Matthew 24:19 and 20 only applies to pregnant women then why not argue that greatest tribulation ever in verse 21 also only applies to pregnant women? I mean if only pregnant women are to pray about the AOD fleeing because it would be particularly difficult for them, then it would make...
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    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    The elect was referring to those who weren’t saved at that time but would become saved at a future time, but only if the days were shortened. If the days were not shortened then those people who would’ve become saved (elect) would not become saved. 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning...
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    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    There are two ways to shorten a period of time, end it sooner or start it later than originally thought. I would say the days being shortened was them starting later than they otherwise would’ve. Both Jew and Gentile elect would not have been saved if the AOD was the first sacrifice made after...
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    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    Matthew 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: I have listened to quite a few sermons and prayers but I have never heard anyone actually pray that their flight not be in the winter or on the sabbath. Since Matthew 24:20 is a command, I would think...
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    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    Some people think that is referring to communion. John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world. 52The Jews therefore strove among...
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    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    You left out Matthew 24:22. Matthew 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. The days were shortened. When you shorten a period of time you have two choices, you can either end that time period...
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    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    Another option for when the 2nd temple ceased being the holy place could be when the first sacrifice was made after the veil was torn. Meaning that first sacrifice was an abomination which stood in the holy place and defiled it.
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics

    Yes, I think the same about you, that you have been deluded by the a false Amil teachings. I guess one of us is wrong but that’s how it goes, we both have to be true to what we see the Bible teaching us. What would be problematic would be for someone to be so arrogant to think they are 100%...
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics

    2 Peter 3 is referring to New Jerusalem coming down, not that it didn’t currently exist. As I quoted in the past, John 14:2 says Jesus went to prepare a place. That place has been created it just hasn’t come down, it hasn’t become a physical reality for us yet. Well now you know why I have to...