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Why do you keep saying that when it’s clear Revelation 21:1 doesn’t preclude a NHNE existing before OHOE is destroyed. Can you at least show some verses that clearly state your view? Right, that’s why I said the OHOE exists at the same time NHNE exists.

Ok, I have no issues with 2 Corinthians 5:17 referring directly to salvation. That verse also states old things are passed away, behold, all things are become new. All things includes both Jerusalem and heaven and earth. All those things become new when a person is saved.

Well, if you think it would benefit me to get a deeper understanding of the Amil view of NHNE, then how about we start with the Amil interpretation of 2 Corinthians 5:17. 2 Corinthians 5:17(NIV) Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here! If...

You are absolutely right, I don’t get the Amil view of NHNE.

I’m in the heavenly Jerusalem which is in NHNE. Since you don’t acknowledge it currently exists, I will pray for you.

Revelation 21:1 states that John saw the NHNE when the OHOE had passed, then in vs 2 he sees new Jerusalem coming down. Revelation 21:1 doesn’t preclude NHNE from existing prior to OHOE being destroyed. In fact it took six days plus one day to rest to create OHOE so it would be reasonable to...

Hebrews 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, If there is currently no NHNE, then where do you suppose the heavenly Jerusalem is? Is it part of the OHOE that will be destroyed?

I’m not arguing against the OHOE sea being destroyed on the last day, I’m arguing against Revelation 21:1 meaning there is no literal sea in NHNE.

Everything was good until the fall of man.

Sure, I can read what others write, I can also read what’s written in the Bible. I take it you think Revelation 21:1 means there is no literal sea in NHNE. Let’s take a look at what is written in the Bible concerning a literal sea. In Genesis 1:10 God gathered together the waters, called it...

You know what’s funny is that those who claim there is literally no sea in NHNE, never claim there won’t be literal dogs in NHNE. Revelation 22:15For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. I guess if we take...

I have asked several Premils if they plan on becoming Jews, since they see the Jews inheriting land and generally being in a better position during a future millennium. None of the Premils I spoke to wanted to have that prominent position in the millennium, they all said they wanted to remain...

Well, that’s a good point. From 2 Thessalonians 2:8 we know that Wicked is consumed with the spirit of His mouth. That Wicked is also destroyed with the brightness of his(or His) coming. I think we all would agree that both Jesus and that Wicked come at approximately the same time, maybe 3.5 or...

Yes, I see that. If the word parousia was used in that verse there would be no doubt for us today. What ever that event was it was something that was revealed to them in that day. Unless a case can be made for another revealing that took place approx 1,950 years ago, I would say the 2...

I think the parousia in 2 Thessalonians 2:8 might not be the Lord’s parousia but could be the parousia of “that Wicked”. 1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last...

I agree with your assessment, but 2 Thessalonians 2:8 has the statement “then shall that Wicked be revealed”. Since you know what “that Wicked” is, then would you also say that “that Wicked” has already been revealed?

Ok, let me ask you this … in 2 Thessalonians 2:8 we have that Wicked shall be revealed who shall be destroyed by the brightness of His coming. It appears you are saying that His coming or presence is here right now, and also saying that Satan will manifest greater in the near future. If His...

I don’t know what the point of the OP is either, but he left out 2 Thessalonians 2:9. 2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming <3952> parousia is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, Maybe he’s going to try to prove a physical future Antichrist once people...

How about taking a look at this … I did a search for “dwell in heaven” and here are some verses to consider … Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath...

Ok, so if I have it correct, your view is that the spirit of both the saved and unsaved all go to heaven upon physical death. How about a verse such as Matthew 11:23? Matthew 11:23(NIV) And you, Capernaum, will you be lifted to the heavens? No, you will go down to Hades. For if the miracles...