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You need to climb off of that High Horse you are riding and get down to earth. You made some completely unsupported claim in your reply #67 that "Born from Above" was one used to classify certain heroes of Israel's history. From there you posted reply after reply and all without any...

I don't know that I have any requirement or desire to understand you. With respect to that beyond the physical world, I have only what I can read in the Bible, unlike you apparently.

And just what did that consist of? " thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you; and you shall eat the plants of the field" (Gen 3:18). Yes, I could imagine that could indeed be really scary for you. And I think God for that. Your's is little more than a Master Puppeteer pulling the...

Nor does your reading it differently make it so. Of course God reacts as events unfold. The fact that He foreknew and planned for the reaction, doesn't make the occasion for that reaction already past in this realm. I agree with that. But there is that moment in the life of the saint when he...

That it means something different than what Jesus taught. You said, if I understand correctly, that Jesus' statement concerning born from above means something altogether different from Peter's statement concerning born again. I think they are one and the same thing, namely, the making alive...

I have no problem with the born from above translation/interpretation. I do perhaps have a problem with what you think that means. But since you have not given any real description or scriptural support for that, I will just leave it there.

OK. Let's start this again from the beginning. I think your first entry into this discussion was reply #65 suggesting we needed some other term. The again in reply #67 saying something about "born from above" being one used to classify certain heroes of Israel's history. So far as I can see...

I didn't accuse you of anything. I simply reacted to what you claimed.

So sad that you fail to understand verse three. The average adult male is by nature a bigamist. That doesn't mean he is one.

Dead in OUR trespasses and sins, not in any "sinful nature". You mentioned sin nature again. Could you please point out the scripture reference for that sin nature that you are talking about. I think the preincarnate Spirit who came to earth in the form of a human baby from Mary was divine...

From Albert Barnes' Notes on the Bible: Was the Word - Greek, “was the λόγος Logos.” This name is given to him who afterward became “flesh,” or was incarnate (Joh_1:14 - that is, to the Messiah. Whatever is meant by it, therefore, is applicable to the Lord Jesus Christ. There have been many...

Do you mean the human being named Jesus; or do you mean the Word who became, though incarnation, the human being named Jesus?

So your view is that we inherit a sin nature from our father? I don't think you can get that from Scripture or from biology. Actually, I don't think you can even find a reference to a sin nature in Scripture. Are you sure His divinity came from God the Father and not God the Holy Spirit...

I haven't claimed that you are not a Christian. I would not ordinarily do such a thing. I have no reason to believe that at all. And neither are you. Given your assertions of superiority, I am not sure you should be trying to take anyone to task for pride; this last reply doesn't display...

Well, I think it is just as I expected. [removed] Peace and may God bless you.

Seriously, what is the difference, specifically, between being born again and being born from above? By what means is anyone born again or the alternative, according to you, born from above. Which, if either, have you experienced?

Do you even know what it means to be born again or born from above? What is the result of that? Why is it needed? What is the significance of being "born", whether again or from above? And finally, given that you see such a difference between the words that Jesus used versus the word that...

Maybe the same term that Peter used? 1Pe 1:23 since you have been born again (ἀναγεννάω [anagennaō]), not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God; From Strong's G313 ἀναγεννάω anagennaō an-ag-en-nah'-o From G303 and G1080; to beget or (by...

Was the Word who became the "son of man", a human being, an enslaved immoral agent like the rest of us?

I haven't denied any of that. Baptism in the name of Jesus Christ is when God forgives your sins and gives you the gift of the Holy Spirit.