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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    None of these texts ever say that Christ, who is the seed, made believers by His death. Or as you have stated many times He converts them by His death. None of these texts say that. Lets take a closer look at Is 53:10, The seed here is Christ, not believers as you stated in a previous text...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    If I plant a seed in the garden, would the fruit of that seed be believers? Seed is a metaphor. It has meaning based on context. It does not have the same meaning every time the word seed is used. Your thoughts are not even rational, or logical and leads to ridiculous statements as above. Ps...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    You do know how to butcher a text. Just pull it out of context and assign a meaning that has absolutely no relevance to the text you are citing. From vs 10-13 the conversation is God speaking of Christ. You want to make Christ a believer. That is rich. You have a believer, who is the righteous...
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    Was Adam Imparted Free Will From The Beginning Of Creation?

    I pray that someday you will see the light.
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    Was Adam Imparted Free Will From The Beginning Of Creation?

    Again, you failed to explain just how that might work. Explain how God escapes being the sinner when He controls man's will? Until you can it is just a very misunderstood view that you are espousing. You need to develop a theological argument showing rationally, logically how God can control...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    You haven't explained anything. You cite a text and proclaim your interpretation upon it, whether it makes sense or not, let alone being scriptural and historical. You seem to think that the Bible was just published and now everyone needs to find out what it means. The Gospel was known and...
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    Was Adam Imparted Free Will From The Beginning Of Creation?

    It cannot be both ways, They are diametrically opposite. Your theory says so,, but both scripture and the understanding of foreknowledge makes them incompatible. The fact that Jesus was predestined to be slain we already knew that in Gen 3:15. The Bible states that it was the time to have Christ...
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    Was Adam Imparted Free Will From The Beginning Of Creation?

    Yet it does not change anything. The disciples were the ones being chosen. Believers are not chosen to believe. It is counter to all of scripture. Even being chosen, He directs his disciples to to keep His commandments and if they do, they abide in his love. There you have free will again...
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    Was Adam Imparted Free Will From The Beginning Of Creation?

    You cannot have it both ways. God either controls them or He does not. It matters not that they did not know what God was doing. Your view is that man's will, which is actually a misnomer by your view, is controlled by God. That is the opposite of scripture. Now you say they made their...
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    Was Adam Imparted Free Will From The Beginning Of Creation?

    Your theory is so absurd. So God wants many men to commit murder. They cannot stop God from causing them to commit murder. Why would you punish them for something they are not responsible for? God said that He will not cause man to sin. How is that possible within your view? Explain how...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    Ok, Can you explain just how Christ's death produces believers within the understanding of the fall, the Incarnation and the end times when Christ comes again. This requires some thought and a theological argument, not your interpretation of texts which have all been shown to refute your theory.?
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    Was Adam Imparted Free Will From The Beginning Of Creation?

    It is not the Truth, It is purely your acceptance of the theory of Calvinism. 1500 years went by before such a belief system was developed. Hardly the Truth from the beginning, There is nothing in Apostolic history that such a theory existed and that it was actually a teaching of scripture...
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    Was Adam Imparted Free Will From The Beginning Of Creation?

    Repeating your mantra does not change the meaning of the text. God's determinations (foreknowledge) is based on man's will. His determinations does not subsume man's will. Obviously, you have not rechecked the meaning of foreknowledge or predestination. It might benefit your understanding of...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    So now Christ becomes believers. It is plainly stating the Christ is the seed, not believers. You are making Christ a believer. The fruit of that seed is not believers either. It is the resurrection of mankind. Overcoming death is the fruit of Christ being the seed that died and was raised...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    Isa 53:10, Christ is the seed not believers. Then you go to Heb 2:14 which is not speaking of believers. Well, unless you believe ONLY believers are human beings who are partakers of flesh and blood. In your view what do unbelievers partake of? Do they have some other form, which Christ did...
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    Was Adam Imparted Free Will From The Beginning Of Creation?

    Where does it say that the world was created for Christ's redemptive purpose?. It does not say it in the creation story of Genesis. Paul never stated this? The only person who might have stated this would be John Calvin under his doctrine of predestination. Most of what you seem to espouse fits...
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    Was Adam Imparted Free Will From The Beginning Of Creation?

    God has not predetermined anything man does. He knows what man will do and will guide as I showed in my example. Your whole theory makes God the sinner and not man. It's very simple to understand but you have this theory which is not found in scripture, that God actually compels man to sin...
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    Was Adam Imparted Free Will From The Beginning Of Creation?

    How come you did not include vs 17-20? especially vs 19, "It pleased the Father than in Him all the fullness should dwell, and by Him to reeconcile ALL THINGS to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven..." He DID NOT RECONCILE BELIEVERS. He reconciled all things. This is...
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    Was Adam Imparted Free Will From The Beginning Of Creation?

    This does not negate man's will. I can give you several examples that I can also direct your steps. Here is an analogy. I will need to make some assumptions here. In the morning you leave the house to go to work. You have a direct route to work. You do this every day. By your will you have a...