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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    Christ, the whole text is about Christ. He will die, and the fruit of His resurrection is life to all mankind and a sacrifice for sin, for every man. How great is that? From all of mankind, He will call all to repentance and preserve a Church, the elect, to believe and have union with Him.
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    The Atonement misnomer of Sufficient for all, efficient for some

    They are counted among those that were dead. Mankind, all mankind has been made alive. I Cor 15:21-22. these are equations. The first statement is equal to the second. Just as Rom 5:19-20. You are conflating being made righteous by faith. This discussion is wholly about the Incarnation...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    Jesus is referring to Himself. But the fruit is life to the world. How great is that? Your citation does not say however, that Christ converted people from the Cross. In fact the next vs 25 speaks directly against your view again. If Christ converted a person from the Cross, it would be done...
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    The Atonement misnomer of Sufficient for all, efficient for some

    The use of the word "many " does not change the effect. He is saying it another way. It means the same otherwise you have a conumdrum in that ONLY many died through Adam, but many also did not die through Adam. same thing, there is a difference though between Adam and Christ. In Adam' case...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    I know you are very confused on the issue. Your theology denies the Incarnation by making it a conversion which happens at baptism, not as a result of the Incarnation. Do you understand why God created man? Do you understand the effects of Adam's sin upon that creation? Do you understand that...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    Why did you change the whole context. Most of the chapter I Cor 15 does not even refer to believers but the work of Christ through His Incarnation which has nothing to do with believers, but Christ reconciling the world back to God. Stay on point.
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    The Atonement misnomer of Sufficient for all, efficient for some

    Yes and no. In scripture the ALL, and I don't believe there is an exception, at least at this point I know of none, that the All is constrained in any way. It always means what it says plainly. Rom 5:7-8 Christ died for the ungodly, sinners. Who do you know that was godly and did not sin in...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    Produces physical life. It refers to the resurrection that will occur in the last day, I Cor 15:53. If you want the word "conversion" Ok, if it means from physical death to physical life What you need it to say is eternal life which is does not. It has no reference to believers whatsoever. But...
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    The Atonement misnomer of Sufficient for all, efficient for some

    quite the opposite, I have stated that man cannot do what Christ accomplished. I have never even hinted that man's work will save man from death and sin. Yes, precisely Christ saved us, past tense, so that we might live unto Him in obedience which is being able to do good works. We are in our...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    Yes they are, however, You are not following the logic of your view. If you state that Rom 5:18-19 means that the ALL MEN, MANY means believers, then all men, many have been made believers. There can be no unbelievers. I clearly recall your statement that many will go to hell for their...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    I agree with the first part, the all men does refer to the many, it is just another way of saying it. But the life that was given is NOT ones spiritual life or what you call new birth. If that were actually correct, then all men (many) all would become believers by your second clause. Our new...
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    The Atonement misnomer of Sufficient for all, efficient for some

    You are conflating what Christ accomplished and man's response to that work. Christ redeemed, reconciled, justified, made right the world back to God. This had to be done first, otherwise nothing changes, Man would still be under the condemnation of death through Adam, and God would not be able...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    No, adversary of your theory. The Truth, you have not touched. it is alien to scripture on many levels,
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    My guess is that you selected this verse hopefully showing that Christ died ONLY for some. You probably use the second clause of the 19th verse to support your view, that it does not say ALL but many. I hate to burst your bubble. You slipped past versed 18 where the word all is used to show...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    A lot of men have claimed they teach gospel truth. If you counted them up, there would be hundreds of them. There were several already in Paul's day and he addresses their error. That you claim your personal interpretation is gospel truth assuredly makes it very questionable. Especially since...
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    Was Adam Imparted Free Will From The Beginning Of Creation?

    Your logic stuns me, let alone how you manipulate scripture. If God was going to subject the earth to corruption, don't you think He would have the power to so declare it? But, He created man for the sole purpose to have communion with God, freely. Why would He create a robot as if God needs...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    So, your bible has only a couple of texts that you use and they don't need to be consistent with the rest of scripture? You impose your personal interpretation on a couple of them and discard the rest? Especially if they don't fit your interpretation, or more likely you actually don't...
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    The Atonement misnomer of Sufficient for all, efficient for some

    By virtue of the Incarnation Christ did save all men from death and sin. It cannot be otherwise since He took on our human nature to restore it to what it was in the beginning. It is why He is called the Second Adam. He reversed the first Adam. That is what the texts I cited loudly proclaim...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    If you insist not explaining the texts or answering the questions, I must assume you cannot do so. I don't use my criteria. I use scriptural criteria and years of studying biblical theology that has stood the test of time and has been held by Christians for 2000 years. When man begins to insert...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    So you say, but you have failed to explain your view within the scriptural framework. You failed to respond once again to the texts I asked you to study and respond. You don't understand your own view enough to explain it, such as how it fits in with the scriptural understanding of the...