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The seed mention refers to Christ, who God will see as his seed. I don't even see believers in the picture. I see no mention of converts or any conversion. You have to twist a lot to make this verse fit your theory. Which is why it is so easily seen as a theory because none of the text you use...

Nice, you quote a text, but then when you try to paraphrase it, you leave out the word that destroys your view. Christ was lifted up....Will draw ALL MEN unto myself. He drew all men and saved all men from death and sin. so that He could call all men to repentance. Those that see/believe/have...

Really! Where is that taught in scripture? It sounds like another twist so that a theory might work. So, God created man specifically to sin, that is reject God? Why would God do that? What kind of God do you believe in? If He is the cause of it, then He is a sinner. Man is not the sinner...

Simply amazing. The only consistent thing you do is select verses that oppose your view. The problem is that you do not understand them. Dan 4:35 is Nebuchadnezzar giving credit to God, after he lifted his eyes to heaven and repented. Your view would have this all annulled and would of...

What contradictions you create. Right in the same paragraph. How can you say that Christ's death produces believers, earlier you called them converts, yet your conclusion says it is by faith. John 17:3 first you must add vs 2 because that is the basis of vs 3. Now, Who was given to Christ...

There is no scripture that even hints that God caused Adam to sin. He did not sin according to God's purpose. God's purpose for for a solution, because He foreknew Adam would sin, was to provide a solution to death and sin. Theologically, if Adam had not sinned, Christ would never have needed...

Man is free from God's will. It is a separate will from that of God's will. That man having a will separate from God is NOT saying man is free from His Sovereignty when His sovereignty established that man has a separate will. You do have trouble understanding scripture and theology. This is...

So, all believers are but by choice. This context is NOT about future believers, but speaking directly to twelve men ONLY. You can keep saying this but scripture if read without biased blinders categorically disagrees with your view. there is absolutely no, mention directly or indirectly that...

You are confused to say the least. Just how do you come to that conclusion. Man has no will, what he does will be held accountable. The you say he willingly sinned in disobedient. You need to figure out the meaning of words here. You cannot have it both ways. Then you say this sin was...

By your view, and quite obviously, you have no understanding of the ramifications of your theory. Regarding man. We are not free from His Sovereignty. However in His Sovereign will He created us to be free will creatures. We can freely either love or hate our creator. God is not forcing us to...

It is not free from His purpose, which was to create a being that could freely love. That works according to His Purpose. But God did not create robots. You have to explain how your version permits God to judge mankind for their deeds, if it is God who controls those deeds. How is that...

Based on scripture that would be impossible. God wanted union with all men. He is calling all men to repentance. Yet, many men reject Him. No place in scripture does it say God rejected any human being from coming to Him. There would be no hell if God compelled man's will to believe and then...

Christ's Cross work, the Incarnation, did NOT produce any believers, what you call converts. Converts cannot happen until man believes, is baptized, that is more accurately called regeneration, but conversion would suffice. By Christ's death and resurrection He accomplished two things, tasted...

I don't follow your twist here. If Christ is the seed, and He dies and rises from the ground, resurrection, How do you get that Christ who is the seed, shall serve himself. The fruit was resurrection from the dead, and atonement for sin. There is no mention of Christ raising believers in John...

His Sovereign purpose was to create what we know as a human being, (man) and created him in His Image. God's purpose was to create an being that would love Him, glorify Him, commune with Him and live in harmony with Him. If that is what God wants and desires, He could not have created a robot...

First, Christ does not have a spiritual resurrection. Never heard of such a thing. Those in heaven now, don't have a body at all. They are living souls. Christ's second coming is still future, so no one has a physical body yet that have died. All the dead will be raised. There will be an order...

The first 6 vs are not addressing believers, except they are part of mankind. Vs 5 is where the very clear distinction is made. Vs 1 is addressing mankind again. All of mankind was dead in sins and trespasses. We already know that all men have been made alive by His Incarnation and...

The whole chapter is directed exclusively to the disciples. It does not include salvation, no where dies it say this in all of scripture. Even in John 17, which is Christ's pastoral prayer there are four things He prays for. vs 1-5 He is praying for Himself. vs 6-19 He is praying for His...

That is what my Bible says in very plain English. I Cor 15: 20-22. The context before I Cor 15:12-19 is speaking of all dead. Who do you know that has never died? Your statement denies what scripture says and also denies the Incarnation. This is very explicitly stated in I Cor 15:12-19. If it...

Funny, you don't read with much comprehension. I have already told you what the fruit is.