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    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    When testimony or evidence offered to prove a question of fact is contradictory, the party bearing the burden of proof must convince the finder of fact (judge or jury)that the burden has been met. That party either succeeds or fails. When a statute or a contract or other document has...
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    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    The human being had no pre-existence before birth, but the Word existed before becoming human. I am a Trinitarian, and speaking only for myself I do NOT understand Word as an appellation of Jesus. It's the other way around with me.
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    Is the claim of only one God false? - How many gods are there?

    “Mammon, n. The god of the world's leading religion. His chief temple is in the city of New York.” ― Ambrose Bierce
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    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    If you want to be literal, "Jesus" is the name for the human born of Mary at the moment that "the Word became flesh." So "Jesus" had no pre-existence. The Word did. The Word created the world. The Word is the exact representation of God's nature (until "emptying himself" of divine...
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    Was Jesus a Literal Son of David?

    Thanks, I will.
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    Was Jesus a Literal Son of David?

    Mary had a step-father? News to me!
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    Was Jesus a Literal Son of David?

    Happy to assume that Mary is the same generation as Joseph, because it doesn't matter to the count. Going from newest to oldest, I am counting Jesus as 1, Joseph as 2, etc.
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    Was Jesus a Literal Son of David?

    What exactly are you accusing me of?
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    Was Jesus a Literal Son of David?

    But Heli is not the father of Mary. Heli is the father of Joseph, according to Luke 3:23.
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    Was Jesus a Literal Son of David?

    I'm not seeing what you are seeing. The generational count seems right to me, despite Joseph and Mary being the same generation (an irrelevant fact, by the way).
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    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    And you can set me straight if I am misunderstanding your answer.
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    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    I'll take that as a "no."
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    Was Jesus a Literal Son of David?

    In Romans 1:3 Paul declares that Jesus was a descendant of David “according to the flesh.” Is it true? Matthew’s genealogy traces Joseph’s lineage to David, not Mary’s. Ditto for Luke. No gospel passage declares that Mary herself descended from David. It’s pretty clear that during Jesus’s...
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    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Does the Holy Spirit help you enough to explain tho the rest of us why apparent contradictions are not really contradictions?
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    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Methinks you have missed Aunty's point on the use of the definite article before theon. I don't agree with her, but I follow her argument. I think you have missed that argument.
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    Where is the Lake of Fire?

    Cleveland, Ohio. The Cuyahoga River Caught Fire at Least a Dozen Times, but No One Cared Until 1969
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    More on GJohn 1.1

    Adam for the first man Adam isn't. My point was that a proper name referencing a specific individual is always definite. By definition (no pun intended).
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    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    You certainly have repeated it many times, Aunty. Is there any chance we can stop all the haggling over John 1:1, and just all concede that the Greek is inconclusive, i.e., it might be translated either as “the Word was God” or “the Word was a god” with equal facility?
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    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    I think all Trinitarians agree with all of this -- but confine these references to the 30-odd years that Jesus Christ was walking the planet. I think all Trinitarians acknowledge that during this time frame Jesus Christ had "emptied himself" (to quote Phil. 2:6-7) of a bunch of stuff that would...
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    More on GJohn 1.1

    Interesting question. The Latin Vulgate has John 1:3 as "omnia per ipsum facta sunt et sine ipso factum est nihil quod factum est." The words ipsum and ipso, respectively in the accusative and ablative, are the same for both masculine and neuter genders in Latin, so either "him" or "it" is a...