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  1. keithr

    Jesus's Explanation of Grace in it's Nature and Effects.

    It says that people are "creatures that had reached such a point in evolution as to be endowed with reason". That is incorrect - mankind has not gained its reasoning powers due to evolution. God created man with the ability to reason. Adam and Eve were created as perfect humans. Genesis 1...
  2. keithr

    Jesus's Explanation of Grace in it's Nature and Effects.

    This demonstrates that these "dictations from Jesus Christ" were in fact deceptions from demons, for Jesus would not mislead people to believe in evolution. Evolution has been proven beyond doubt to be a false theory. Jesus would teach the Bible truth, that God created man in one day; man did...
  3. keithr

    A response to the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment (ECT)

    I don't understand how you could think that what I wrote meant that I was calling you an unbeliever. Such a thought never entered my head when I wrote that post. All I wrote was: Well if you're not interested in finding out what God's Word to us actually means, that's your choice. As for me...
  4. keithr

    A response to the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment (ECT)

    See Why Hell is not a place of eternal conscious torment.
  5. keithr

    A response to the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment (ECT)

    Taken in context, Ecclesiastes 4:1-3 (WEB): (1) Then I returned and saw all the oppressions that are done under the sun: and behold, the tears of those who were oppressed, and they had no comforter; and on the side of their oppressors there was power; but they had no comforter. (2) Therefore...
  6. keithr

    A response to the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment (ECT)

    If dying never ends then it is not death - it's still eternal life! If the death is eternal then it means you can never become alive again. Life is life; physical or not is not relevant to whether you are alive or dead, and conscious or not. John 3:36 (36) He that believeth on the Son hath...
  7. keithr

    A response to the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment (ECT)

    Ecclesiastes 9:4-10 (WEB): (4) For to him who is joined with all the living there is hope; for a living dog is better than a dead lion. (5) For the living know that they will die, but the dead don’t know anything, neither do they have any more a reward; for their memory is forgotten. (6) Also...
  8. keithr

    A response to the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment (ECT)

    Well if you're not interested in finding out what God's Word to us actually means, that's your choice. As for me, I want to learn and understand the truth. 2 Thessalonians 2:8-12 (WEB): (8) Then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will kill with the breath of his mouth, and...
  9. keithr

    A response to the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment (ECT)

    I did search about it before I posted. Wikipedia states the structure of Ecclesiastes as: Title (1:1) Initial poem (1:2–11) I: Kohelet's investigation of life (1:12–6:9) II: Kohelet's conclusions (6:10–11:6) Introduction (6:10–12) A: Man cannot discover what is good for him to do (7:1–8:17)...
  10. keithr

    A response to the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment (ECT)

    Do you really think that I don't know why Jesus gave himself as a sacrifice?! o_O Acts 3:25 (WEB): (25) You are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying to Abraham, ‘In your offspring will all the families of the earth be blessed.’ How are...
  11. keithr

    A response to the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment (ECT)

    You obviously don't know what the significance Gehenna is, so I'm going to have to help you understand it :). Gehenna was an actual place just outside Jerusalem, so obviously "our" body will not go there when you and I die (I see you live in Israel, but I still don't think you're likely to end...
  12. keithr

    A response to the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment (ECT)

    What do you mean, "again"! No I don't disagree with what Jesus said, although you're wrong, Jesus didn't say "than go to hell", he said: Matthew 5:30 (WEB): (30) If your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off, and throw it away from you. For it is more profitable for you that one of...
  13. keithr

    A response to the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment (ECT)

    So you are disagreeing with Eccliastes 9:5 then. 2 Timothy 3:16 (KJV): (16) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
  14. keithr

    A response to the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment (ECT)

    It looks like only the NIV translates it as "their name is forgotten"; most translations render it as "for the memory of them is forgotten". But yes, as well as believing "the dead don't know anything" but we should also believe the second part, "They have no further reward, even the memory of...
  15. keithr

    A response to the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment (ECT)

    There are some people alive today who have been dead and and miraclulously restored to life again, e.g. Dr Sean George, who make no mention of being alive when they were dead (which is a contradiction of terms!). Likewise Lazarus, whom Jesus raied to life after he had been dead for 4 days (John...
  16. keithr

    A response to the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment (ECT)

    Ecclesiastes is a wisdom book and is not classified as poetry. There may be a couple of poetic passages in it, but the verse I quoted was not poetic. Psalms are classified as poetic, but also as wisdom. Jesus quoted from the Psalms more than any other Old Testament book. The important thing...
  17. keithr

    A response to the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment (ECT)

    No it doesn't show that dead people are alive! As Jesus said, John 5:28-29 (WEB): (28) Don’t marvel at this, for the hour comes, in which all that are in the tombs will hear his voice, (29) and will come out; those who have done good, to the resurrection of life; and those who have done...
  18. keithr

    A response to the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment (ECT)

    This is poetic writing - a song. It should not be taken literally, unlike literal verses such as: Ecclesiastes 9:5 (WEB): (5) For the living know that they will die, but the dead don’t know anything, neither do they have any more a reward; for their memory is forgotten. Psalm 146:3-4 (WEB)...
  19. keithr

    A response to the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment (ECT)

    You're just repeating yourself and quoting the same Scripture from the same translation, which I've already pointed out is the only translation which has added "So they were not still dead"! Young's Literal Translation says, "God is not a God of dead men, but of living". Adding "so they were...
  20. keithr

    A response to the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment (ECT)

    You didn't quote a passage, you just quoted a verse, Matthew 22:32, which is only part of a sentence. To quote all of Jesus' sentence, Matthew 22:31-32 (WEB): (31) But concerning the resurrection of the dead, haven’t you read that which was spoken to you by God, saying, (32) ‘I am the God of...