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Thank you--you have summarized what is correct in biblical principle, but not as it is commonly believed...because the timing is not rightly understood. The lie foretold by Paul causing strong delusion, is regarding the timing of events. Jesus spoke of His return as coming "quickly" or "soon"...

All of which is indeed collateral damage of the foretold lie, which was a lie of misrepresentation of the truth from Christ which He gave in His own words--not as occurring after some millennia in the distant "future", but as what "must shortly come to pass."

I cannot tell you what I think, but rather what I know. The lie foretold by Paul causing strong delusion, is regarding the timing of events. Jesus spoke of His return as coming "quickly" or "soon" and gave the details of all that would "shortly come to pass." Saying also after He had gone to...

True in general, but it is good to fully understand: "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things" (Isaiah 45:7). The KJV translates Strong's H7451 in the following manner: evil (442x), wickedness (59x), wicked (25x), mischief (21x)...

Oh, but surely I have quoted this "literal" one numerous times: So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them (Genesis 1:27). Oh, and there is also this one: Give ear, O my people, to my law; Incline your ears to the words of my...

I was not inferring that you were referring to Paul, but rather that he was referring to those like yourself (apparently) who have believed the "lie."

Which is greater, the worldly foreshadowing, or what it points to? (Rhetorical)

Praying. pryw

That's all very good--very insightful. Except when you included the delusions of the "lie" foretold by Paul. regarding the second advent of Christ. I don't want to derail the thread, but all that the church has believed and taught, saying that Christ was not to return "soon" or "quickly" (in...

The word "angel" just means "a messenger." So, yes, one can be a messenger from God, and many are.

No, "future" is not all that is referred to by the battle of Gog and Magog. "Gog" refers to the Mountain of God, or God. While "Magog" refers to "the land of Gog", meaning God's footstool or this world. In other words, the battle is between God and this world. Which started when He began...

This is why I mentioned Jesus being firstfruits--because that is what all of this is about. In other words, yes, those born again are firstfruits with Christ. Which yes, were crucified and raised up with Him. Which is only confused or sounds crazy, if one insists on the terms being that of...

"Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me" (Revelation 3:20). Yes, "return" is correct--because He first left and went to the Father. Yes--which is "the glory of His Father"--whom "is spirit."

I am very much with you on most of that...except that is not the lie foretold by Paul.

Did you just deny or agree that your beliefs generally align with that of the church--i.e. that Jesus was not coming soon and all that He spoke of should not shortly take place as He said, but instead He comes some millennia after He said "soon" and "shortly?" Oh, darn--now I have again...

Those equations would be like an explanation of the mechanisms under the hood of a car...so to speak. Which is good! Whereas the origins and reality of space-time is as touched on above, where God extends His eternity to the likes of children by dividing what otherwise cannot be divided...

@quietthinker @Dan Clarkston Oh please continue! I have shared the answer many times, but it is mostly rejected.

To one life, to another death.

Unfortunately, that means: He does not come as many/most believe He will.

I am coming in late on this one, but the premise is correct. "Following" Jesus in the way He made manifest of His own life, and what He said regarding being born again--do not disagree, but do indeed agree. The confusion, and I am sure it is a point of contention, comes from the fact that...