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    LET'S SEE IF JESUS WAS TALKING ABOUT THE RAPTURE OR HIS SECOND COMING WHEN HE SAID, "NO ONE KNOWS THE DAY NOR THE HOUR"

    But Daniel says he’s slain after the 69 weeks. Therefore, he died in the 70th week. If this week is the 69th week, hypothetically(I’m not talking about 7 year sabbaths), and next week is the 70th, how do you understand someone that says after the 69th week I’ll be slain? It couldn’t be the...
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    LET'S SEE IF JESUS WAS TALKING ABOUT THE RAPTURE OR HIS SECOND COMING WHEN HE SAID, "NO ONE KNOWS THE DAY NOR THE HOUR"

    @David in NJ Here’s a better question. Not against you, just a general question to anyone Why do people put all their energy into a rapture? The single greatest, most taught event, was the resurrection of the dead. Not the harpazo. Though the harpazo was revealed and Paul wrote on it, it...
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    LET'S SEE IF JESUS WAS TALKING ABOUT THE RAPTURE OR HIS SECOND COMING WHEN HE SAID, "NO ONE KNOWS THE DAY NOR THE HOUR"

    Let’s talk about this unfulfilled 7 years. Which week did Christ die? 69th or 70th? And which week was sacrifice abolished in the midst of it?
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    LET'S SEE IF JESUS WAS TALKING ABOUT THE RAPTURE OR HIS SECOND COMING WHEN HE SAID, "NO ONE KNOWS THE DAY NOR THE HOUR"

    Why are you dodging and changing the subject? We are not talking about the harpazo. We are talking about your statement of Ekklesia and your assumption the assembly is gone because Ekklesia is not found after Rev 4:1
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    LET'S SEE IF JESUS WAS TALKING ABOUT THE RAPTURE OR HIS SECOND COMING WHEN HE SAID, "NO ONE KNOWS THE DAY NOR THE HOUR"

    Again, you’re trying to give me a Bible lesson like I’m unsaved or am still in need of milk. You said Ekklesia was not found after Rev 4:1 therefore the church is in heaven. I said, using your own logic, the church is absent from Mark, Luke, John, 1Peter, 2Peter, Titus and so on. Does that...
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    1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 Isn't A Pre-Tribulation Rapture, Dont Be Deceived

    How do you take a reply and twist it? This is the point I was making, they all went through wrath or judgement. God’s people were not off world and they were and will be protected. As far as a cult, I’m a born again believer of Christ who died for me and rose again. And it’s by God’s grace...
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    1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 Isn't A Pre-Tribulation Rapture, Dont Be Deceived

    Hmm, the 144k arnt hurt. Noah and his family weren’t hurt. Moses and the Israelites weren’t hurt. But they did endure tribulation. If the trumpets are wrath on man, why are we told only those that take the mark will endure God’s out poured wrath? There we are told is the steadfastness of the...
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    LET'S SEE IF JESUS WAS TALKING ABOUT THE RAPTURE OR HIS SECOND COMING WHEN HE SAID, "NO ONE KNOWS THE DAY NOR THE HOUR"

    You stated: THE WORD CHURCH NEVER APPEARS FROM REV. 4:1 ON. You mentioned the “church” and then reply the word church didn’t exist till after 300AD. By stating the church doesn’t appear from Rev 4:1 on, you are stating it does appear elsewhere. Obviously, church comes from Ekklesia. And it is...
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    LET'S SEE IF JESUS WAS TALKING ABOUT THE RAPTURE OR HIS SECOND COMING WHEN HE SAID, "NO ONE KNOWS THE DAY NOR THE HOUR"

    Are you telling me Ekklesia is not the church?
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    LET'S SEE IF JESUS WAS TALKING ABOUT THE RAPTURE OR HIS SECOND COMING WHEN HE SAID, "NO ONE KNOWS THE DAY NOR THE HOUR"

    You didn’t answer the question
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    LET'S SEE IF JESUS WAS TALKING ABOUT THE RAPTURE OR HIS SECOND COMING WHEN HE SAID, "NO ONE KNOWS THE DAY NOR THE HOUR"

    Rev 5:12 How are we in heaven (as elders in Rev 4) before Christ is rewarded for overcoming all things on the cross?
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    LET'S SEE IF JESUS WAS TALKING ABOUT THE RAPTURE OR HIS SECOND COMING WHEN HE SAID, "NO ONE KNOWS THE DAY NOR THE HOUR"

    Rev 5:8 How about this one. If the church is in heaven, how do the 4 living beasts and 24 elders hold vials full of the prayers of the saints? If the church is not on earth, why are they holding their own prayers? They are not tribulation Saint prayers (according to Pre-TB) because the first...
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    LET'S SEE IF JESUS WAS TALKING ABOUT THE RAPTURE OR HIS SECOND COMING WHEN HE SAID, "NO ONE KNOWS THE DAY NOR THE HOUR"

    When are the heavens no more according to Pre-TB? Look at Job 14:12 Nothing has been removed on a Pre-TB timeline making it impossible to be resurrected at that time.
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    LET'S SEE IF JESUS WAS TALKING ABOUT THE RAPTURE OR HIS SECOND COMING WHEN HE SAID, "NO ONE KNOWS THE DAY NOR THE HOUR"

    When is the last day? Is it 7 years before the last day or actually the last day?
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    LET'S SEE IF JESUS WAS TALKING ABOUT THE RAPTURE OR HIS SECOND COMING WHEN HE SAID, "NO ONE KNOWS THE DAY NOR THE HOUR"

    Oh boy. Where do I begin… The word for church never appears from Rev 4:1 on therefore the church is absent. Let me use your own logic. The word for church never appears in: Mark, Luke, John, 2 Timothy, Titus, 1 Peter, 2 Peter, 1 John, 2 John, Jude and not till Ch. 16 of Romans. Therefore...
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    THE TRUTH OF DANIEL'S SEVENTY WEEKS PROPHECY

    I'd also add, if he thinks the entire church universal is apostate, is the Philadelphia and Smyrna church also apostate? Really? Pretty sure God says, "come out of her MY people" as those not apostate in mystery Babylon.
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    THE TRUTH OF DANIEL'S SEVENTY WEEKS PROPHECY

    I think you are here to argue. You asked about the flood, I gave multiple verses to support it. I said the Jews were inadvertently the cause because if they did bring in righteousness and all the other key markers, the destruction wouldn't have happened, and Christ would have never been slain...
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    THE TRUTH OF DANIEL'S SEVENTY WEEKS PROPHECY

    What happened to not forsaking the assembling of ourselves? Sounds like you haven't been to a good church. There are plenty!
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    THE TRUTH OF DANIEL'S SEVENTY WEEKS PROPHECY

    Let me post the phrase you are asking about: and the end thereof shall be with a flood, The flood was the armies sacking Jerusalem in 70 AD Just to name a few though I could post more if you want: Revelation 12:15, Isaiah 59:19, Daniel 11:10, Jeremiah 51:42 Jeremiah 46:8 Look at how many...
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    THE TRUTH OF DANIEL'S SEVENTY WEEKS PROPHECY

    RLT63, I rarely ever agree with @covenantee, but I have to here. Obviously, some people read these 2 difficult paragraphs as either the prince of the Romans or the Messiah. Know and understand this: From the issuance of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem, until the Messiah, the...
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