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In post #13 I asked you if none of the verses that refer to the kingdom of heaven/kingdom of God are referring to the millennial kingdom, you answered, in post #15 that was correct. I guess we just found an exception. Since the Matthew 13 parable of the weeds is referring to the millennial...

I agree, Christ in us can be viewed as the kingdom of God in us. Here’s a problem though, in Matthew 13:41-42 the angels gather, out of the kingdom, those who offend and do iniquity, and cast them into the furnace. John 3:5 says Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter...

Ok, so there’s nobody on the entire planet that believes we are not in the kingdom in a spiritual way? Why then would some people try to interpret verses such as Luke 17:21, which says the kingdom of God is within you, as the kingdom of God is in the midst of you? And why would people argue...

In Matthew 13:24-30 is the parable of the weeds, which is speaking of the kingdom of heaven. In Matthew 13:36-43 Jesus explains the parable. Matthew 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity...

Ok, so are you saying none of verses that refer to the kingdom of heaven/kingdom of God are referring to the millennial kingdom?

You are making a judgment call yourself in this statement. Not only that, but you are assuming my prayers are formed in a way that looks down on others. My prayers go something like this … Lord in this debate I’m having, you know what’s right. May you give us the ability to see and understand...

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. I don’t judge others but those who think the kingdom has not yet been realized and is still only to take place in the future are in need of our prayers...

Ok, in Revelation 13:1 the beast has ten horns and ten crowns upon his horns. In Revelation 17:3 the beast has ten horns but no crowns are mentioned, when we get to verse 12 it says they haven’t received their kingdom yet, but do receive power as kings one hour with the beast. Do you see the...

Well, I agree the beast isn’t described as having eight heads but Revelation 17:11 says he is the eighth and is of the seven. What do you think Revelation 17:11 is talking about? Which one of the seven would you consider to be called the eighth?

Ok, thanks. Satan gives his power, seat, and authority to the beast, when that happens do you see Satan as not being able to deceive at that time? I know the beast deceives when he receives the power, seat, and authority but what about Satan himself during that time, do you see him retaining...

Do you think the eighth head could also be Babylon? The Babylon in Revelation 18 is not Nebuchadnezzar’s Babylon so it could be viewed as the eighth that is of the seven.

No debate here Doug, I just want to get your thoughts. In Revelation 12:3 the dragon has seven heads with crowns on the heads but no mention of crowns on the horns. In Revelation 13:1 the ten horns on the beast have crowns. Do you see the ten horns/kings receiving power as kings one hour...

Ok, so you’re saying the heavenly Jerusalem is not the New Jerusalem in heaven before it comes down?

Thanks for pointing that out, i edited my post. I thought everyone here was in agreement that according to Hebrews 12:22 we believers have already come to the heavenly Jerusalem. I probably should’ve made that distinction and said … Do you see any verses that would indicate a person can...

I can see by your response that you might believe a person can loose their salvation. I can respect that position but I’m in the once saved always saved camp so I don’t see it that way. I didn’t intend to get too deep into this topic but here’s how I ultimately see things. In Galatians 2:9 an...

Well that is debatable, if you’re of the opinion that New Jerusalem is a literal, physical city then obviously it has not arrived on this earth. If you’re of the opinion that New Jerusalem is a spiritual destination then it is possible that it has descended already. Well, sure, we aren’t...

Yes, I believe the Church is the body of Christ but not the bride of Christ. I don’t think the body of Christ is the bride of Christ. No, I was pointing out that Colossians 2:10 says we are complete in Him and this statement would be somewhat problematic if the Church is the bride and the...

I do think New Jerusalem is the bride of Christ and I get that from Revelation 21:9-10, where the angel tells John “I will show thee the bide, the Lambs wife … and showed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem descending out of heaven from God”. When we look at the Old Testament the first...

What 1 Corinthians 15:23 is pointing to is Revelation 19:11-16 where Christ, on the white horse, is ranked first and the armies in heaven that follow Him on their horses are ranked next. The word “order” in 1 Corinthians 15:23 is meant as a military ranking which agrees with Revelation 19. Also...

1 Corinthians 15:23 is an incomplete list of all those who are resurrected. The word “order” <5001> means ranking, as in Christ is ranked first then those who are Christ’s at His coming are ranked next. Unbelievers are not shown in this ranking so as you can see it is not meant as a complete...