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I don't know.... Is it right to take ONE VERSE....the emptied Himself verse.....and try to tie it into everything else we know? How can we be absolutely sure about what Paul meant exactly when he stated this? He could NOT have meant that Jesus emptied Himself of Essence since it's obvious He was...

Why does essence change at time T1? (if your second sentence is correct re Philippians). And your last sentence sounds a little Mormonish?? I guess T3 is after death. I'm confused about E2 in your last sentence. And we're not really discussing the Trinity but it started with whether or not...

Oops. There ya go..... Being demeaning again. Old habits die hard. Guess what.... No skin off my back. But you sure do harm the church you claim to be Defending. Oh. Right. It doesn't need defending. You just have a good time being mean. You'll take it up with God when the time comes. End.

I don't think I could watch that video Matthias.... It's just TOOOOOO LONG!!! :jest:

I found the below link that speaks of Gregory of Nyssa. It's kind of heavy stuff...beyond me for sure.... but I thought you'd enjoy it and maybe @RedFan . It's an article by Wm Lane Craig...

Absolutely correct. Jesus, as the 2nd Person of the Trintiy - Now called The Son - existed from the beginning. He always existed. It's just the human form,,,Jesus,,,that was born 2 thousand years ago. So Mary birthed Jesus, as you've stated. OK. But we have to ask, WHO was Jesus? Was He just a...

I've come to understand the Trinity in a very simple way....if I try to go further, I come upon the problems you present above. I've also had to explain the Trinity to young persons and they never really understand BESIDES the fact that any example you use is heretical. The trinity is explained...

I understand you M. But your belief system brings up other problems. Who was Mary in your system? The mother of......? a man?

RF....Didn't you know that Math was my worstest subject??? LOL I can hardly figure out how long the train took to get to where it was going. Could you repeat the above in ENGLISH?? Thanks! I mean, I kind of know what you're saying...but I still think you're thinking is off. God is God Father...

Why must you be so demeaning to people? As I've been saying for years now.... You are a terrible example for the CC.

There we are. You prove exactly my post no. 656. Mary did not birth the Creator of the Universe. She birthed HIS SON.....the 2nd Person of the Trinity... who is ALSO GOD. What would you say she should be called? The Mother of Jesus? So was Jesus just another man? You must surely know, having...

I'm sorry Matthias....I'm not understanding you. What Gregory is saying is that he holds to the biblical teaching of The Trinity...incl the full divinity of the Holy Spirit....and that he and his coherts add nothing new of their OWN INVENTION....meaning that everything they believe is from the...

Actually, RM...the same persons that wrote the creeds are the same persons that gathered together all the writings (not all, I'm sure) of the Apostles and decided which were to be included in the NT. Some of the Early Theologians had differing ideas which is why the creeds even had to be...

Here's the problem as I see it RedFan: When we say MOTHER OF GOD,,,,what comes to our mind is the mother of God Father since when we refer to Him we tend to always think of God Father. Jesus is the 2nd Person of the Trintiy. He is the Son of God. Being the Son of God,,,,He IS God, as we who...

Matthias.... This is from your link on post 631: The Christian conception of God, argues Gregory of Nyssa, is neither the polytheism of the Greeks nor the monotheism of the Jews and consequently it must be true, for ’the truth passes in the mean between these two conceptions, destroying each...

For the little that I know....I'd say that I agree with the above. I do tend to see the creeds more in the sense that they cleared up heresies, or clarified theology....but akin to a church charter? I guess it could be that....they did proclaim what the CC (universal church) believed. §Re the...

Don't remember it. Care to post?

This is interesting. I'll tell you what I remember learning from many years ago. It has something to do with Jesus being the Resurrection...which is what He stated John 11:25-26 25Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies, 26and...

I agree. I stand corrected.

Oh. You mean HIS understanding of HOW the CC teaches it.... OK But my other post still stands. Later.