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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    I would say no, but that being watchful... ...in an eager, anticipatory, and expecting way, of course, and living now in light of that... NOTE: remember Colossians 3:4 ~ "When Christ Who is your life appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory..." ~ and Hebrews 12:2 ~ "...let us run...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    Didn't miss that. Is there such a thing as a "non-quality brother?" :) And there's only so much you can get from a message board... :) Agree on the clarity, but from what he's said in this and other threads... The Word is complete and does make perfect sense ~ it is God's Word after all...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    Thank you, WPM. You might explain what you mean by your idealism on Revelation, but don't feel obligated. I've been very even-tempered with him. Very well. I think this is... misdirected. :) But, point taken. Not acknowledging that faith is the gift of God is an egregious error. But...
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    The Sun, God's tool to change the World

    Well good, but your words conveyed something quite different. Or at least so it seems; you said, "Our present translations have multipl(e) errors in their translations which actually seals the truth of the End Time Prophecies from being discovered." I strongly disagree with that, and would...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    This is one of the first true statements you have made. You have continually said to me, "You claim this, and you believe that," as well as "Calvinists claim this and Calvinists claim that," and every time in error, making some kind of ridiculous caricature of these things instead of...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    He will return, and it will be sudden. Even dead people ~ who themselves are not unconscious and certainly will not be unaware ~ do not know the day or the hour. Well, if you're going to think about anything I've said, don't first misunderstand or misconstrue... what I have said. :) Grace...
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    The Sun, God's tool to change the World

    Well, I didn't say that. There are several places where the English language can't quite capture the full force of the Hebrew and/or Greek. But it's not inaccurate. Well, it's overly strident. :) Among other things. :) Oh... uh, yeah... in my opinion. :) I will say, though, that I'm not...
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    The Sun, God's tool to change the World

    Sure, I'll accept that, and your posts are, likewise, your opinion. Hey, what's up with the "Goodbye" signature? I mean, it's kinda funny... :) Grace and peace to you.
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    I would submit that those not watching, GB, probably don't have an "eschatological view"... :) Some might do good ~ and even really good ~ things, but whether they are actually producing the fruit of the Spirit is... questionable. Maybe will be, rather than "are"... And in saying that, I'm...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    Nope. What I have done, Spiritual Israelite ~ and yes, many times ~ is taken what you have said and carried it out to its logical end, thus making clear the full impact ~ if carried out ~ of what you have said. And those things I think you disagree with, meaning, basically, you're like, "Okay...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    I think you're over-thinking this, GB. We are all to be watchful and wary at all times. In the same sense, really, as: Peter's exhortation in 1 Peter 5:9 to "(b)e sober-minded; be watchful... the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. Resist him, firm in your...
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    The Sun, God's tool to change the World

    In Revelation 16, "great Babylon" is symbolic of the worldly city, which is not an actual city, but the world and it's unrighteous, sinful inhabitants in general. Contrastingly, we, as believers, are the Holy City, the City of God. As Augustine first said (and I'm summarizing, of course, from...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    I view it as a warning of a lesser judgment of some type ~ "lesser" not in the sense of being not serious or lacking in severity, but in the sense of a consequence in that time if they continued as they were (their church remaining dead; and again, this warning is just as intensely relevant to...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    Obviously not; over and over again, what you have said I believe has not been what I believe, And I have corrected these things many times, clarifying what I do believe. But you keep going back to these misunderstandings about what I believe. Well, okay, but you keep attributing things to him...
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    The Sun, God's tool to change the World

    @Jay, I do agree with you that what Jeremiah says in chapters 50 and 51 does have very clear implications regarding the end times, and I think @Douggg would agree with that, but @Douggg is absolutely correct in saying, "literal Babylon is relevant to the end time prophecies" but that "the...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    We agree concerning full preterism (I think); it's... erroneous. :) So, yeah, no need to even discuss it. Let's back up a little. Well, not necessarily "back up," but rather zoom out, and get a summary of the seven churches in general, and then zoom back in to Sardis. Zooming out, regarding...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    Cool. Yes, layered prophecy is a general pattern in Scripture. The mental image is like approaching a mountain range, which, from a distance looks like one big thing, but as you get closer and closer, you see the layers getting deeper and deeper the closer you get... You know, to be quite...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    Have you ever heard of a thing called "layered prophecy," GB? Beyond that, I would say that, if each is understood/offered in the right way, all five of those things are correct. And I agree, but not just them. :) True, but preconceived notions can be a problem. Well, I think all of what...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    Oh, I'm well aware of that, and that's okay with me, for sure, but really, that's only because you don't rightly understand Calvinism, but a mere ~ false ~ caricature of it, as evidenced by your repeated false allegations regarding it. This is what all Arminians do; it's what Jacobus Arminius...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    Okay, well, we disagree on that. :) Well, sure, we all are in need of salvation, for sure. But the point of Revelation is that at all times, no matter how bad things seem, God is in control, and Jesus wins... :) ...and ultimately, our victory is already secured in Christ Jesus. In this way...