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IMO, Verses 13-14 are parenthetical. They explain the one sitting upon the throne in verses 9:11 and how He initially obtained that position. Verses 9-11 are involving His return to earth, and so is verse 22 since verse 22 is the interpretation of verses 9-11. Daniel 7:9 ¶I beheld till the...

For the longest, I too used to take Daniel 7:13-14 to be meaning a return to the earth rather than a return to heaven. But then I noticed a cpl of things I wsn't factoring in at the time. First let's start with this. Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was...

And that's what happens sometimes when someone assumes nonsense to begin with. They add yet more nonsense to it in order to get the initial nonsense to supposedly work. I guess all the animals will get moved underground as well? Why not? If they can fit on an an ark they should be able to fit...

You have it backwards. It is not me that is misunderstanding that, it is you that is. Not according to me, but according to the texts involved. Try reading what the texts actually say. You have verse 24 contradicting verse 15 not agreeing with it. Genesis 4:15 And the LORD said unto him...

I don't mind if I am wrong in this case. I hope I am. That means per Amil verse 13 would be meaning after Christ has returned, except some Amils have the entire planet literally engulfed in flames the same way it was engulfed in water. As if verse 13 makes sense per a scenario like that, that if...

IMO, you are conflating events involving the 2nd woe with that of events involving the 3rd woe. But even so, I'm going to be honest here. I hope I am wrong about verses 11-13 where I think they are meaning during the 2nd woe, but are really meaning during the 3rd woe. That way I get to enjoy...

This remnant that are affrighted, how does that make sense if they are meaning the ones in 1 Thessalonian 4:17, which means they wouldn't even still be be on the earth to begin with, they would be up in the sky instead if verse 13 is meaning during the 2nd coming and that the remnant in verse 13...

During a trumpet, though. There is no trumpet sounding towards the end of the 2nd woe when the 2Ws rise. The 2Ws rise toward the end of the 2nd woe not at the beginning of the 3rd woe. The beginning of the 3rd woe is the 7th trumpet. Revelation 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit...

Come on, be real here. How does it make sense that after the 2Ws rise followed by an earthquake that same hour, and then John telling us the 2nd woe is past, that this rising of the 2ws nor the earthquake that same hour, that it isn't meaning during the 2nd woe, it is meaning during the 3rd woe...

Have you figured out why, if the Discourse is involving events beginning with His ascension through His return, and that 2 Thessalonians 2:4 and what all that involves have to undeniably be fulfilled before He can return, as to why Jesus excluded that from the Discourse entirely? It might be...

It doesn't matter if the trumpets are literal or not. The 2nd woe comes before the 3rd woe. The 2nd woe is not the last trump, the 3rd woe is. How then can they be rising during the 3rd woe during the 2nd woe? Where is the logic in that? How can the last trump be sounding during the 2nd woe if...

Except 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 involves the sounding of a trumpet. Where do you see the sounding of a trumpet taking place when the 2Ws rise and ascend into heaven? Don't they do that before the 7th trumpet sounds rather than when the 7th trumpet sounds? 1 Thessalonians 4:13 But I would not...

I have no dispute with that. But what about the false prophet then? Can you also argue he is no man? Nothing pertaining to the 42 month reign of the beast is involving an era of time where there is no false prophet also involved. Therefore, if the false prophet is human, no human can live for...

Beginning with verse 21 through verse 35 there are only 2 kings in view. The king of the north and the king of the south. And that the king meant in verse 36 has to be one of those two. The last king mentioned in the text prior to verse 36 is in verse 31 meaning here---And arms shall stand on...

If I'm understanding you somewhat correctly, I can see that being applicable to what Matthew 24:15 records, but not what Luke 21:20 records. IOW, Luke 21:20 is involving a literal temple, meaning the 2nd temple before it was destroyed. While Matthew 24:15 is involving the temple that 2...

For example. If Amils take this same approach pertaining to 42 months like you have, we then end up with the following, at least as far as I can tell. This 42 months and the thousand years are the same era of time, they are running in parallel. Except they have the beast in the pit the entire...

Douggg, the only way you might be correct is if there is something else recorded after verse 22 but prior to verse 29, that can explain the tribulation of days. Unless you can point out what that might be, we have to assume great tribulation pertaining to verse 21 is what is meant here. There...

Does this mean you take the vile person to be meaning the false prophet? Daniel 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation...

Luke 21 mentions zero about any AOD. You are adding to the text since some of that is meaning what happened during the events involving 70 AD, except none of those events involved an AOD. This couldn't possibly be correct since the 6th seal is the day of the Lord and involves the 7th trumpet...

Though, there are some things in the OP I might agree with, such as what I quoted above, since I too agree that Daniel 7:12 will be involving the millennium after the 2nd coming, I do not agree that the events pertaining to 70 AD involved great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning...