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As of verse 21 in Daniel 11 this vile person is the main player, the main focus. If your interpretation is correct, submit the verse or verses that tell us what became of this vile person eventually. It makes no sense that one minute he is the main focus, the next minute he isn't, and that the...

This thread is disappointing thus far. The OP has challenged Post tribbers to undeniably prove Post trib. If I was still Pretrib and I was reading this thread, not one post made by any Post tribbber in here thus far would be enough to convince me Post trib is the correct view. I probably...

The text says He does it in the days of these kings. That sounds like that should mean all these kings have to be reigning at the same time. If we then compare to Revelation, there are kings all reigning at the same time, 10 of them, the exact same number as the toes. Revelation 17:12 And the...

It sounds like you and I might be on the same page in regards to Daniel 11, maybe? A4E is nowhere in that chapter. The one in verse 21 is the same one that fulfills verse 45 and is the same one that fulfills verse 31 and it isn't meaning A4E. Verses 21-45 involve the same era of time Daniel 12...

Maybe I'm the real prophet here? LOL Thus a perfect example of what I just said a few posts earlier. And the next thing you know, pretty much what I said was fulfilled a cpl of posts later. Meaning the post I'm addressing here.

I don't see the text agreeing with that. This 2000 year separation you mentioned would already be in verse 34. It would be between this---(A)Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands---and this---(B)which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to...

Does that Psalms also explain the ones meant in Daniel 12:2 that awake to shame and everlasting contempt? When are you going to produce the Scripture that proves that, that after Christ rose, many also rose from the dead unto shame and everlasting contempt? I won't hold my breath awaiting such...

To somewhat add to that. Why is it that some of us are able to be logical about these things,, but somehow we are the ones that are wrong, not the ones being illogical instead?

Even if that is true that still misses the point. It still cannot explain these--and some shall awake to shame and everlasting contempt. Is that portion missing from your translation? What part are you failing to grasp here? In order for Daniel 12:2 to be involving what Matthew 27 is involving...

Let's get on the same page. Clearly, the bodies of saints rose after Christ's resurrection. I'm not disputing that. Daniel 12:2 does not say that only saints rise. It also says some rise to shame and everlasting contempt. Therefore, it can't fit what is recorded in Matthew 27 since both have to...

I already explained how and so did @Stewardofthemystery in post #15. It's called context. I like his answer better, because my answer involved me asking @Marty fox to point out in Matthew 27 who he sees meaning the ones that rise to everlasting contempt. When he shouldn't even be in that chapter...

Marty, explain who these are meaning then---Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake-- others to shame and everlasting contempt Point out where I can read about them in Matthew 27. Who do you take them to be meaning in Matthew27? I don't see anyone meaning them in Matthew 27...

Maybe I overlooked it or didn't read the OP carefully enough? Could you then point where the OP did that? I'm not doubting you word, I just don't recall having seen the OP do that. BTW, I know Amils don't see it that way. Never said they did.

Roger, you do have a valid point since it would be relevant to be holy in the here and now. Hadn't really thought about it like that before. It does make sense. Here's my problem though. The way to try and convince me that Amil is Biblical is not by trying to convince me that NOSAS isn't...

What some are failing to admit, refuse to admit, is this. And not just meaning Amils. There are some Premils that won't admit it either. Meaning my point in regards to verse 12 below. Daniel 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white...

Yet someone else that sees these connections pretty much identically to how I do. Very well reasoned OP. The OP has debunked Amil, except we all know Amil will never admit it.

The way I view the resurrections is simple. There are only two of them. The resurrection of the just, and the resurrection of the unjust. And that the resurrection of the unjust never precedes the resurrection of the just. In that way alone it makes it the first resurrection even if it involved...

My argument pertains to Revelation 20:6 and what John plainly said and meant. He said everyone that has part in the first resurrection are blessed and holy, without exception. He said everyone that has part in the first resurrection, the 2nd death has no power over them, without exception. Throw...

Of course, I fully agree unless I'm misunderstanding you or something, that John was seeing future events pertaining to the final days of this age and not also involving the time period John was living in at the time. And besides, if the first 6 trumpets happen during the 5 seals, what in the...

I'm sure you and I agree that the 6th seal is the 7th trumpet, correct? Which obviously means trumpet one doesn't chronologically follow seal 6. Obviously, if seal 6 is trumpet 7, the other 6 trumpets have to occur during the first 5 seals. But even so, that doesn't mean the same has to be true...