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    Heavenly Jerusalem

    All believers are saved by the new covenant, blood of the Lamb, which is depicted as white robs. Just because someone has a white rob doesn’t mean they are the bride. In Matthew 22:1-14 is the parable of the wedding banquet. The banquet is furnished with guests who are not the bride yet they...
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    Heavenly Jerusalem

    Luke 12:36And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately. The church does wait and needs to be ready but it’s for the Lord when He returns from the wedding, not to the wedding.
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    Heavenly Jerusalem

    Well, the land makes itself ready in the same sense a city makes itself ready. The promised land was ready after the generation that initially rejected entering into that promised land died in the wilderness, 40 years. I think also the new covenant was fully entered into once the old covenant...
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    Heavenly Jerusalem

    Hey Marty, I’m very skeptical of the bride being the church. Paul says we are the body of Christ but he doesn’t use the term bride. In Jeremiah 3:14 God is married to backsliding Israel and in Isaiah 62:4 it says thy land shall be married. I would say New Jerusalem (a city) is tied to the land...
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    Heavenly Jerusalem

    Good point, I wouldn’t argue against it. Galatians 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. Do you think Jesus having the power to forgive sins prior to the cross, as seen in Matthew 9:6, fits with the timing of New Jerusalem being on earth? If so, what are...
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    Heavenly Jerusalem

    I tend to think the New Jerusalem is the heavenly Jerusalem which is synonymous with the new covenant. I think the generation of those who were under the old covenant prior to the cross clung to it for the most part after the cross. As it says in Luke 5:39 No man also having drunk old wine...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Well, where are the believers during the DOTL? They are not taking part in the vengeance. The instructions to flee are given when the AOD is seen, which means there is a separation that happens. Also the instructions are given to come out of Babylon. If we equate those under the altar at the...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    The DOTL could be everlasting as Revelation 21:23 describes New Jerusalem as not needing the sun because the Lamb is the light. Maybe the DOTL is total darkness for unbelievers and total light for believers, both conditions being called DOTL.
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Vengeance isn’t taken on believers, only unbelievers, right? It could be that the DOTL is described as something good for believers but something not good for unbelievers.
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Let me ask you this, the Kingdom is an everlasting Kingdom, does this make the day of the Lord an everlasting day?
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    What verses are you using to support this?
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    There is also this issue … If there are still many Old Testament promises that will literally happen to the Jews in the future, and Gentiles will not be part of these promises, then a person might decide to reject Jesus and become a physical Jew now, thinking they will be better off during a...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I haven’t done a study on this, maybe you have, I don’t know but can we conclude that “the day of the Lord” is always referring to a single day or the millennium and no other time period? I realize we are going to have a different opinion on the millennium but have you examined this?
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I think in some places the word “day” would be better translated “time”. So in certain instances, as the entire new covenant age, it should be considered time of the Lord not day of the Lord.
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    What about Zechariah 14? It has a day that doesn’t seem to fit a 24 hour period. Zechariah 14: 6And it shall come to pass in that day, thatthe light shall not be clear, nor dark: 7But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I agree, logic doesn’t play a role when it comes to whether a person believes in God or not, that’s why the term elect is sometimes used. I suppose a person who believes in free will would conclude that a person must use logic to see that it’s better to believe in Jesus than not to believe...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Logic is basically correct thinking. Since God is true and correct, logical thinking imitates God. Logic is not a physical attribute, it is a spiritual attribute. Here is a logical statement, if A is true then condition B occurs. Here is logic in the Bible … Galatians 3:29 And if ye be...
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    But shun profane and vain babblings

    Your explanation of God telling Moses He was currently the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob based only on their future resurrection doesn’t agree with Matthew 22:32. According to your view God is the God of the dead based on their future resurrection, but Matthew 22:32 says God is not the God...
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    But shun profane and vain babblings

    Well then God wasn’t the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob after they died. God would only become their God again after they are resurrected and become zao. However in Exodus 3:6 God says he is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, meaning at the time He spoke those words He was their God.
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    But shun profane and vain babblings

    The Sadducees believed a person ceased to exist after they physically died, along with their belief that there was no resurrection. Jesus directly answered their question about the resurrection in Matthew 22:30, then in verse 31 Jesus used the phrase “regarding the resurrection of the dead” to...