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We already debunked your only verse. You just showed us that after the tribulation (which is revelation 19) ,the Assembly of the white horses in heaven that come down and destroy the Antichrist, are gathered in heaven, not the Earth, and that Gathering is By Angels, not Jesus. So every time you...

You just proved my point. I specifically stated in the op that postribs must not hide behind " orange man bad/ pretrib bad" No , this thread is for YOU to finally man up and convince us that YOU have the VERSES. The hiding behind a win by default is for another thread. But since you can not...

Yes we all see after the trib the elect are gathered from Heaven by angels. In the rapture vividly portrayed in mat 25, the BRIDE is gathered from Earth by Jesus. Postrib Doctrine via omission, makes sense only to the omitted. Your doctrinal hinge and foundation is "one coming" In fact NONE OF...

What good would it do? Since you were shown in the word of God and my analogy. " ...OUR LAMPS HAVE GONE OUT..." Your reply to that is they never had any oil. It's like you are completely oblivious that if they had been lit at one time, that means that they had oil at one time, but the FUEL/ OIL...

You just pointed to 2 comings. One sitting on a cloud One on white horses. Now read acts 1 and take off the blinders. Because like manner DOES NOT FIT EITHER ONE. Like manner ONLY FITS pretrib rapture. Vivid , and irrefutable, unless you want to torture that bible some more

We all know he returns to earth after the trib and wrath. That is Rev 19. The white horses coming. Nobody I know of disputes that except "the Light guy" He says no 7 year trib.

In Rev 14 they are gathered from the air and there is zero said or inferred Jesus touches the earth. Mat 24 has 2 comings. One before, one after the trib, Onto earth physically, and the other one a gathering to heaven. Lot never RETURNED.( AHEM...your doctrine would need him to RETURN...

Mat 24 has 2 comings. Rev14 has the Jews gathered twice. "One coming" can not honestly be defended ....and your doctrine CENTERS on one coming. What in the world will you do with that? You can't possibly unpack it. I mean it ain't like it's going to go away. I mean it's more like "oops let...

Just adding and affirming. I agree with you

And when THE BIBLE used that term, pointing to Marys PURITY, do you see that one also as Mary had no male friends? Luke 1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

Ahh Crazy me. Whooda thought you could not see it was an analogy???? I musta thought they drove cars or something back then. But hey thanks for the tip anyway. ( we will take all those "corrections" under advisement) SMH

Try real hard to post any little thing of substance. I usually never talk to you. You should do some exercises Like opening a Bible.

She indeed has her hands full...well at one time...pre Jesus. I asked her one time about all the bad stuff I did. She blew me away. She said " oh son, I only remember the good things" She was a jewel. A true Godly woman that loved her redeemer. Above all, she wanted to be like Him.

It says all worship.( except those believers refusing the mark) All take the mark or refuse. To refuse is to die. To get saved during the trib? That also means they die. You must understand that ALL ( THAT MEANS ALL) WILL be tracked. All will have the mark. There is no running from cave to cave...

And remember Jesus used Lot and Noah in the prejudgement coming. BOTH are framed as normal life and commerce AT HIS COMING. Jesus is not con-fused here. He is definately speaking of 2 separate events.

If I had no knowledge of the Bible I would say Jeff has a point there, but the council of the Bible must be considered. Thank you Jeff.

Thank you for your thoughtful post. What a difference it makes for postribbers to get their views from God's word.

Is the antichrist given power to overcome the saints and kill all refusing the mark, before the heavens are no more?

Then Jesus is mistaken. He said the rapture occurs In normal life and commerce. (said it twice) The dead in Christ are raised at the pretrib rapture, in 1 thes 4

Postrib cliche's. " last day" "Trump" "Last trump" "Trumpets" In the postrib rapture doctrine, pretrib rapture verses of the bible vanish in their minds. Those verses are never factored in. We know there are 2 resurrections. Part of this threads purposes is to point out that we can take a...